Windows 8 - Looks really awsome

[aigle]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/13/w...nd-everything/

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/13/w...ds-on-preview/

Not sure how Linux/ Ubuntu is going to fight with it.

[dw426]

Um..the same way they always have? People who don't want/need Windows, have a choice to go to Linux. It's been that way, it will always be that way. Linux won't "fight" with it though. It's never had a chance of fighting Windows and, for the foreseeable future, it will still stand no chance of it. Windows 8 is not going to change the world, it's an OS (and I'm a Windows user). They'll likely still continue on with the nonsense tradition of "editions", and we'll still have Patch Tuesdays.

[philby]

They'll likely still continue on with the nonsense tradition of "editions", and we'll still have Patch Tuesdays

...and now this too:

Built-in antivirus software will ship in Windows 8

Great!

[dw426]

But that's a beautiful thing. It's a long damned time coming, actually. It's not as if you'll be handcuffed to it. If you still want to use Norton/Avast/Avira and so on, you'll have every chance to do so.

[Kerodo]

Originally Posted by philby

...and now this too:

Built-in antivirus software will ship in Windows 8

Great!

That'll end up helping a heck of a lot more people than it harms.... It's a good thing.

[Hungry Man]

Windows defender is an amazing thing. While I personally do not have any antiviruses running I think that having default protection like that is a wonderful step. Good on Microsoft for continued development.


And Ubuntu has never fought Windows lol that's like asking how Opera will fight the latest Firefox - it won't.

[funkydude]

Originally Posted by philby

...and now this too:

Built-in antivirus software will ship in Windows 8

Great!

It has a built in AV and STILL uses 200mb less RAM than Win7 and boots faster, what's your point? Now I have 1 less thing to worry about when installing Windows.

[dw426]

Originally Posted by Hungry Man

Windows defender is an amazing thing. While I personally do not have any antiviruses running I think that having default protection like that is a wonderful step. Good on Microsoft for continued development.


And Ubuntu has never fought Windows lol that's like asking how Opera will fight the latest Firefox - it won't.

At least Opera has a slightly better chance than a snowball in Hades Linux has a single snowflakes' chance. On topic, sort of: Isn't Windows Defender kind of dead? I thought MS incorporated most, if not all of it into MSE?

[funkydude]

Originally Posted by dw426

Isn't Windows Defender kind of dead? I thought MS incorporated most, if not all of it into MSE?

No it's reborn as a real AV in Win8.

[dw426]

Originally Posted by funkydude

No it's reborn as a real AV in Win8.

That's what I get for skimming through an article, thanks for the info.

[iravgupta]

I always liked the name Defender better than MSE

[philby]

what's your point? Now I have 1 less thing to worry about when installing Windows

My point was only that it's one more thing to turn off or get rid of.

That'll end up helping a heck of a lot more people than it harms

I accept that completely Kerodo.

[dw426]

Originally Posted by iravgupta

I always liked the name Defender better than MSE

Hey, as long as it works properly and is effective, they can use the idiotic naming scheme Android uses for code names for all I care

[aigle]

Originally Posted by dw426

Um..the same way they always have? People who don't want/need Windows, have a choice to go to Linux. It's been that way, it will always be that way. Linux won't "fight" with it though. It's never had a chance of fighting Windows and, for the foreseeable future, it will still stand no chance of it. Windows 8 is not going to change the world, it's an OS (and I'm a Windows user). They'll likely still continue on with the nonsense tradition of "editions", and we'll still have Patch Tuesdays.

Yes sure it is not going to change the world but I am pretty sure that this touch-centric OS is sure going to change the PC world altogether. iPad started it and windows 8 is going to take it to the next level. Just wait and see.

Linux? yes sure they will follow something similar to it. I am sure. They will now support ARM, tablets and they will also bring a real touch-friendly GUI. It,s ought to happen.

[funkydude]

Originally Posted by philby

My point was only that it's one more thing to turn off or get rid of.

Not really, you've always had to disable defender. If you didn't, your AV did and you don't need to do anything. So I don't see this comment holding ground.

Also for all you know it might actually be pretty good.

[dw426]

Originally Posted by philby

My point was only that it's one more thing to turn off or get rid of.

Unless you prefer using as much built-in security as possible, and it turns out to be a great AV. Think about it, no free version toolbars/3rd party BS to worry over, no monthly/yearly fee, no "Like" buttons (freakin Avast). Like I said, if it works well, I'm cool with that.

[dw426]

Originally Posted by aigle

Yes sure it is not going to change the world but I am pretty sure that this touch-centric OS is sure going to change the PC world altogether. Just wait and see.

I'll be waiting, watching the "end is nigh" announcements of the PCs' demise continue to be spouted off in the media, watching tablets that don't have the name "Apple continue to fail, and so on, and so forth. A PC will continue to be able to do things smartphones and tablets can't. And, with data caps and bandwidth charges continuing to rise, watching as people decide whether they really want to do too much of what these devices can do.

[m00nbl00d]

I just hope that the other security vendors won't play the victim and European Union force Microsoft to have a separate Windows version.

[dw426]

Originally Posted by m00nbl00d

I just hope that the other security vendors won't play the victim and European Union force Microsoft to have a separate Windows version.

Lol, I didn't think of that. Never count out the EU though, if something stupid can be done, they'll do it.

[funkydude]

For anyone planning on installing the preview in 3 hours that missed it, MS plan on feeding updates via Windows Update as they incrementally improve the OS (bugfixes and features). This will hold true all the way until beta, and hopefully even the beta changes will be pushed through.

[m00nbl00d]

Originally Posted by dw426

Lol, I didn't think of that. Never count out the EU though, if something stupid can be done, they'll do it.

I think Microsoft could argue back, though. Something like Would you prefer European Unition citizens to have crippled free antiviruses or no longer functioning trial versions?

I think that companies like Symantec, McAfee, etc will also fight back... Or, are OEMs going to purposefully disable Windows 8 default antivirus and install the trial versions? (This should be forbidden!!) Unless Microsoft pays the OEMs more...

[aigle]

Originally Posted by dw426

I'll be waiting, watching the "end is nigh" announcements of the PCs' demise continue to be spouted off in the media, watching tablets that don't have the name "Apple continue to fail, and so on, and so forth. A PC will continue to be able to do things smartphones and tablets can't. And, with data caps and bandwidth charges continuing to rise, watching as people decide whether they really want to do too much of what these devices can do.

Ofcourse PCs will stay but used less n less for every day work.

[aigle]

Originally Posted by m00nbl00d

I just hope that the other security vendors won't play the victim and European Union force Microsoft to have a separate Windows version.

I think they might end up with giving choices like for browsers.

[m00nbl00d]

Originally Posted by aigle

I think they might end up with giving choices like for browsers.

I honestly hope they won't. And, I want to believe that the Internet Explorer event was nothing more than someone that gave an order, simply because they had hemorrhoids.

I don't know... Will trial versions be suggested as well? Will users end up installing crap they don't understand in the first place?

Let's see... What's in the menu?... Norton Antivirus, Kaspersky, avast, AVG [...] WTF?!!! There's dozens of crap here!!!

I talked about the most common names... But, what about the most unknown names? In all fairness they should be given as choices as well.

I just hope they will all support ASLR! lol

[Daveski17]

Originally Posted by dw426

Lol, I didn't think of that. Never count out the EU though, if something stupid can be done, they'll do it.

LOL! I think the EU legislators wake up in the morning in Brussels & try & create as many pointless new laws as they can before teatime.

To be honest though, what's the real difference between a Microsoft AV shipped with Windows & downloading MSE?

Many people predicted the end of other AV companies when Microsoft released MSE. AFAIK Symantec, McAfee, F-Secure, Bit Defender inter alia are all still selling antivirus software.

I have MSE installed on both of my computers & the only thing I really don't like about it is that I actually quite miss the original Windows Defender. It may have been getting a bit long in the tooth but it had some great tools on it.