No more individual patches for Windows 7 and 8

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  1. emmjay

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    It is still not clear how large the monthly rollups on W7 and W8 are going to get. MS has stated that they will prune out no longer needed updates on a regular basis so the package size should not become gigantic. This article basically disagrees with that and the author believes that it will grow substantially (beyond 500MB as Nathan Mercer stated in August 2016)...

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/3133...es @PCWorld 2016-10-20&utm_term=pcw_tech_html
     
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    The first time i clicked on the above link i was stopped by WSA because i was sent to a bad place ...like this .... http://sugabit.net/search.php?source=epages&sid=49581_2838_mo... and WSA told me to back out and not go there...
     
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  4. Kerodo

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    It's just an InfoWorld link. I don't know how it can be bad... ? Must be a WSA glitch....
     
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    It sounds like you may have adware on your computer. I hope not, but sugabit.net is associated with adware, and of course you should have been taken to infoworld when you clicked on the link, not some other site.
     
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    i did a scan with HMP and got this...I had it set to ignore instead of delete any pup'so they are still here for now. Should i delete them or ignore....
    Potential Unwanted Programs _________________________________________________

    ask.com
    C:\Users\Bobby\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\Web Data

    HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\ioloToolService.ToolManager\ (SafePCRepair)
     
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    You can delete them. I recommend also doing scans with AdwCleaner and Zemana AntiMalware. The link to the free version of Zemana rather than the trial of the pro version is at the bottom the page.
     
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    Did you overlook my October 18 post?
    My plan for November:
    1. Install the November security monthly quality rollup on my test system,
    2. see if that (re)enables the Diagnostics Tracking Service (DiagTrack), and if so, disable that service,
    3. see if the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\DataCollection key is created, and if so, create the DisableEnterpriseAuthProxy DWORD Value and set it to 1 (= disabled).
     
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    And are you sure that this will disable all tracking introduces by this update?
     
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    No, but we cannot even be certain that updates of which Microsoft does not mention telemetry do not introduce something unmentionable.
    Based on the information in the KB3192403 and KB3192404 "preview of the monthly quality rollup" knowledge base articles, for the November security monthly quality rollup the action mentioned in my previous post seems to be enough to me. But, no, I am not (and cannot be) certain.
     
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    If you have the following updates (W7) already installed, you have Diagnostics Tracking Service (DiagTrack)...
    • KB3068708 – “This update introduces the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices. By applying this service, you can add benefits from the latest version of Windows to systems that have not yet upgraded. The update also supports applications that are subscribed to Visual Studio Application Insights.” This update replaced KB3022345.
    • KB3075249 – “This update adds telemetry points to the User Account Control (UAC) feature to collect information on elevations that come from low integrity levels.”
    • KB3080149 – “This package updates the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices. This service provides benefits from the latest version of Windows to systems that have not yet upgraded. The update also supports applications that are subscribed to Visual Studio Application Insights.”
    I hid them when they were made available, so I do not have the DiagTrack service running. I would stay away from the November quality monthly rollup if you do not want DiagTrack at all. In W10, Microsoft renamed the Diagnostic and Tracking service after users stopped/disabled the service, so don't be surprised if they do it to W7/8 as well. To circumvent it completely and not get tricked by a stealth rename, go with the security-only update.
     
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    I have non of those updates installed and also do not have DiagTrack running. I intend to follow Stupendous Man's advice for November - but will wait for feedback before doing anything as I don't have a test machine.
     
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    Yep.

    Earlier, I installed KB3068708 and KB3080149, because of the reasons that I stated in my February 14 post in the Bork Tuesday, Any Problems Yet? thread.
    Because of that, my Windows 7 systems have the Diagnostics Tracking Service (DiagTrack), which I disabled.
    I certainly don't like the updates that add telemetry, but I'm not all too worried about it. If I decide that if I need certain updates that also add telemetry, I can live with that, and I'll disable telemetry, if possible. Hence disabling DiagTrack after I installed KB3068708 and KB3080149, and disabling the DataCollection key if that were to be created with installing the November security monthly quality rollup.

    And yes, I am aware of the fact that, on Windows 10, Microsoft renamed "Diagnostics Tracking Service (DiagTrack)" to "Connected User Experiences and Telemetry (DiagTrack)". If "Diagnostics Tracking Service" disappears on my Windows 7 systems, I know I have to look for "Connected User Experiences and Telemetry", or for whatever Microsoft comes up with this time.
     
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    Please do not consider my plan as advice.
    It was not advice, of course, I was only telling what my plan is.

    Very wise.
     
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    I have gone back to a Win 7 SP1 image with NO updates installed, and Updates turned OFF. I no longer trust MS with any of this stuff, and I really don't have the time or energy to sift thru every little thing that comes thru down the pipe. I'd go with linux, but I honestly prefer 7 still. So this is my compromise... I just don't like OR trust what they're doing now...
     
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    Yes I know your feeling. I have to deal with big brother on internet, don't want to have one integrated in my system. I also understand why Chinese government doesn't want to use Microsoft's latest OS versions.
     
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    It would be a good idea to open a new thread dedicated to all solution and tricks to disable Microsoft Telemetry and other intrusive and not wanted services and updates.
     
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    This whole deal of you guys having to scour these updates to protect yourself- with a product that didnt have this crap to begin with- is ridiculous.

    You guys shouldnt have to deal with this. Im thankful Linux suits my needs- I understand for many it doesnt- because having to do what you guys are doing would make me literally angry. When I boot my Windows 10 install (upgraded from 7 for 5 more years of security updates- I only have it because my computer came with 7 and as a just in case), I'm hesitant to even browse the internet. THIS is whats wrong with telemetry, hardcoded IP addresses sending who-knows-what, and various forms of tracking for corporate profit- it inhibits free thought.

    I honestly cant believe the intrusions on personal privacy have made their way to the operating system. I could generally be convicted of being cynical but never in my wildest dreams did I think it would go this far nor did I think the general masses (not us here) would accept such incursions so readily.

    Sorry for the rant and hope someone devs you guys an ironclad solution in the future...
     
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    The only and easiest solution to prevent getting any crap via Windows updates is not to update.
     
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    Yes, I read Woody Leonhard's How to cautiously update Windows 7 and 8.1 machines article.

    In the article, Woody Leonhard says:
    Group A, Step 2: Check the box marked "Give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates"

    I still do not understand why Woody Leonhard advises to enable "Give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates".
    The only reason that I can think off, is that Woody considers his Group B as the 'advanced' group and his Group A as the 'simple' group.

    Woody's advise to enable "Give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates" for Group A, may be to keep things 'simple' for Group A.
    With "Give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates" enabled, Windows Update will not distinguish between important and 'recommended' updates. That is simple for those users that don't want to mind Windows Update and want to have it fully automated. No need to worry about the question whether some 'recommended' updates should or should not be installed.
    However, for any user that does not use Windows Update setting "Install updates automatically", having "Give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates" enabled seems utterly useless, and makes the user lose the ability to distinguish between important and 'recommended' updates.

    I do not understand why Woody Leonhard advises his group A users to enable "Give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates", unless Woody considers all Group A users 'simple'.
     
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