Bork Tuesday, Any Problems Yet?

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  1. Dragon1952

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    Well, that sounds good. I am now officially back to Win 7, so I'm looking for the best way to deal with this stuff. I spent 12 hours yesterday installing and updating Win 7 and Office, and now all is good. It took some time, but I finally was able to make it happen.

    When I installed 7, I set it to notify me, but don't download or install till I tell it to. I also unchecked the "Show Recommended" box. Then I did the check. This worked out nice, because it put all of the known nasty updates into the "Optional" category, and just left me with the important and critical ones. So far so good. I do have 72 updates sitting in Optional, but I think I am not going to install ANY of those, for my own safety and good. :)

    Anyhow, I will check this thread regularly again now that I'm running 7. I did like 10, but honestly, there's just too much going on there. I don't want it.
     
  3. J_L

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    Updated automagically without me even noticing...
     
  4. Stupendous Man

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    If you don't want to upgrade to Windows 10, and you installed the "important" Windows Update Client December 2015 (for Windows 7 that is KB3112343), you may want to reconsider that one, as that update "enables support for additional upgrade scenarios from Windows 7 to Windows 10".

    And you may want to install recommended update KB3045645 "Update to force a UAC prompt when a customized .sdb file is created in Windows", that can be considered to be a security update. Read the G Data article "New Dridex infection vector identified", in which in the conclusion is mentioned:
    "the malware authors exploit a weakness in Microsoft's OS in order to become administrator without showing the UAC popup. Concerning this point, we strongly suggest installing the Microsoft patch KB3045645, even if Microsoft does not estimate it as a required patch."

    Also, you may want to consider installing Windows Update Client June 2015 (for Windows 7 that is KB3050265) that "installs a new Group Policy object that enables you to block upgrades to the latest version of Windows through Windows Update"
    and also Windows Update Client July 2015 (for Windows 7 that is KB3065987) that is mentioned in "How to manage Windows 10 notification and upgrade options" (KB3080351) as required for applying DisableOSUpgrade = 1 by Group Policy.
    I still am not sure whether Windows Update Client June and/or July 2015 are also required for setting DisableOSUpgrade = 1 in Windows registry manually.

    And for Windows 7 you may also want to consider installing KB3068708 that says "Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry" but that also says "The Windows 7 offering also supports the kernel updates that were deployed separately to Windows 8.1 through security update 3045999."
    That's a nasty one! Apparently KB3068708 is a security update concealed in a telemetry update! Terrible!
    And it's a messy one, too, as it also says: "Note When an advanced user runs the System File Checker tool (sfc.exe) after installing this package, the two files that are listed above [telemetry.ASM-WindowsDefault.json and utc.app.json] are unintentionally flagged as corrupted. There's no system effect or corruption when these files are flagged, and this issue will be fixed in a later service update."
    That later service update is KB3080149 that says "Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry" but that also says "Fixes a previous issue in the service where when an advanced user applied the System File Checker Tool (sfc.exe), the .json files were unintentionally flagged as corrupt."
    Yeah, Microsoft sure knows how to sell you those telemetry updates, don't they!
     
  5. roger_m

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    My approach for handling Windows Updates is the same as it has always been, to install every update. On Windows 7 and Vista, I may skip some optional updates, but I always install every important update. I never wait to read feedback on updates before installing them.

    While, it seems that a lot of users have problems caused by Windows Updates, I don't. I can't remember the last time an updated caused problems. Under Windows 10, some updates don't want to install, and try to install and fail whenever I reboot. But, I simply hide these updates with the Show or hide updates diagnostic, to prevent Windows from trying to install the update again, and then the problem is solved.
     
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    Ok, thanks for all the info.. I'm not worried about the Win 10 upgrade stuff, it all seems to be sitting in the Optional category, so far so good. I already DID upgrade to Win 10 back on August 1st last year, but after messing with it and reinstalling it a dozen times, trying all possible configurations, I decided that there's just too much going on in Win 10 for my liking, even when you straight-jacket 10 with O&O Shutup10, you still can't completely control it. So I decided to just return to Win 7, which activated fine with no problems, and right now all seems well. I'm in the process right now of setting up Data and Backup partitions, so that I can do an automated backup with Macrium. I'm not worried right now about 10 re-appearing, but if it does, I'll have to take further measures after restoring a good image. Thanks again for your extra info though... :)
     
  8. paulderdash

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    Well considered extra info. The Group Policy setting (so far) has been honoured and kept Windows 10 at bay till I may decide to go there. GWX Control Panel, which has a portable option, is useful to monitor this.
     
  9. Stupendous Man

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    I asked Woody Leonhard.
    Woody replied:
    So, Woody Leonhard is not sure either, but says that chances are good the Update Client updates are cumulative.
     
  10. Adric

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    abbodi1406 seems to know
     
  11. Stupendous Man

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    Thanks very much, Adric.
    Yes, according to that post, abbodi1406 seems to know.
    But I don't know if abbodi1406 really knows, or whether he/she only supposes so, like I do and like Woody Leonhard does. Some are more confident to express their thoughts as facts, while there's only reasoning and no documentation to support such thought.
    As Woody Leonhard said, chances are good the Windows Update Client updates are cumulative, but I know of no documentation to back up that thought.

    Are you, or anyone else in this thread, active on My Digital Life Forums, perhaps?
    If so, perhaps you could ask abbodi1406 whether he/she only has the same idea as Woody Leonhard and I, or that abbodi1406 can back up the thought with some documentation.
     
  12. anon

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    @Stupendous Man,
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    #1091
    https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/bork-tuesday-any-problems-yet.370217/page-44#post-2530317
     
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    If you extract the files from the Feb wu7-client KB3135445 and compare them to the Dec wu7-client (KB3112343) you will see the previous files with new version numbers (7.6.7601.19077->7.6.7601.19116) which means the old ones have been superseded. I don't know of any documentation more detailed than that. Why is corroborating documentation in this case so important for you?
     
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    Yes, that says the old ones have been superseded, but I'm not sure it proves that the new Windows Update Client updates effectuate the same as the previous versions. I guess they do, but I think it would need analyzing successive Windows Update Client updates code and the effects on Windows installations to be sure.

    Not only to me, but to everyone who skips certain updates, like the ones that enable support for upgrading to Windows 10.
    If Windows Update Client updates are cumulative, then it makes little sense skipping the ones you don't want and later installing a next one and getting the previous one for free.
    If Windows Update Client updates are cumulative, that's worth knowing.
     
  16. Adric

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    If you don't want windows 10, just don't ever install Update for Windows 7 (KB3035583) and enable your group policy to turn off upgrade to the latest version of windows. That's all I needed to do to avoid W10. I have all other updates installed and have never been nagged about W10 or had W10 downloaded on my system.
     
  17. Stupendous Man

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    By the time KB3035583 was first offered, I still trusted Microsoft sort of blindly and had that one and some more updates installed. Later I have taken care of GWX, disabled it. And also I have set DisableOSUpgrade = 1 to block upgrades to Windows 10 through Windows Update. Nevertheless, I don't like to take chances with updates like Windows Update Client updates that promise things like "enables support for additional upgrade scenarios from Windows [7 or 8.1] to Windows 10" or such. Better safe than sorry.
    And also - it is not only my own situation I think of. Others have taken different combinations of measures, without setting DisableOSUpgrade = 1, and may be more vulnerable to (new) Microsoft shenanigans. That's why I think it is worth knowing whether or not Windows Update Client updates are cumulative (which I assume they are).
     
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    Just got new M$ updates: KB3118401 and KB3121255. Both optional. In the hidden file they go. :D
     
  19. JRViejo

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    Received both updates as well:

    KB3118401 - Update for Universal C Runtime in Windows.

    KB3121255 - "0x00000024" Stop error in FsRtlNotifyFilterReportChange and VSS backup of PI Data server fails in Windows.
     
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    http://news.softpedia.com/news/wind...2-increases-version-to-10586-112-500510.shtml

     
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    May be the same situation anon, but the update kb number is different this time, and no doubt so will some of the things that are included/hidden in it.

    Time will tell :)
     
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    @stapp Thanks, I'm about to install it.
     
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