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  1. Rico

    Rico Registered Member

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    Well windows really screwed my system up, but I made a Macrium backup just prior to them.

    This machine is a Dell XPS 8700.

    So after making another rescue CD (thought the linux would be simpler), tried to boot. FAIL to boot from CD.

    I got to a screen F12, where I chose Legacy boot, so far have not changed anything in the BIOS. I was pleased to see Macrium choices for booting (cd, verbose, etc), I chose CD.

    When everything finished I was still in a dos like screen (black), I then typed "exit" pressed enter & after perhaps 2 min. the Macrium interface was available. Tried this 3 or 4 times ok.

    I then got to wondering if I shouldn't change the boot order in the bios.

    Originally it was:

    1. UEFI: Windows Boot
    2. USB Storage Dev
    3. UEFI PLDS DVD+/- rw
    4. USB Floppy Dev.
    5. Onboard NIC

    Next back to Macrium create rescue, stuck a flash drive in & did not have the option to, make the rescue media on flash drive.

    So now I'm thinking, I should change the boot order, (old school) where #3 moves to 1. position. Now all the names are not like they were, or UEFI is not seen on the new 1 - 5 list.

    Tried BIOS default reset....and

    Reboot, please insert a OS & reboot.

    Back at F12 I see two choices for UEFI

    Windows boot manager

    UEFI OS

    I think I chose "UEFI OS" which booted and is allowing me to type this.

    Calling Dell, & saying, "I would like to boot from CD" I'm transferred to 6 different departments or people, and no information. The above getting to boot to Macrium CD was guesswork my part, nothing from DEll

    My questions (finally)

    1. Which UEFI choice is correct (win 8.1),

    Windows Boot mgr
    or
    UEFI OS <or does it matter>

    2. Why is it so funky (type) exit from dos screen to enter Macrium rescue

    3. Most likely (dumb question), but long frustrating day. Will Macrium restore UEFI


    Note all of this from: https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/windows-updates.371831/
     
  2. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

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    Rico,

    I wouldn't change the boot order in the BIOS. Keep the HD as the first boot device (or Windows Boot Manager). You can get into trouble having CD or USB ahead of HD especially when installing an OS because on every restart it tries to boot the boot media instead of the HD. Hit F12 (Dell) to bring up the boot menu.

    Say you are booting a Win8 UFD to install an OS. The choices in the boot menu will be USB Win8, UEFI USB Win8, etc. If you want a UEFI system, choose UEFI,
     
  3. Rico

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    Hi Brian, Thanks! Just went to look at what the BIOS is now, & got no boot, or OS msg again. This time chose Windows boot mgr.

    BIOS NOW (see previous post 1)

    [Legacy]

    1. USB Floppy
    2. Int, HDD dev.
    3. USB storage dev
    4. Int odd dev plds+/- rw
    5. Onboard mic

    AT F12 I see:

    Boot mode is set to legacy, secure boot off

    [legacy boot]
    P0: st1000dm003 ich162
    P1: plds dvd+/- rw

    [UEFI Boot]

    Windows boot mgr
    UEFI OS

    [Other Options]

    BIOS settings
    Diagnostics
    Change Boot Mode Settings

    at "Change Boot Mode Settings"

    UEFI Boot Mode, secure boot off
    UEFI Boot Mode, secure boot on


    ABOVE IS WHAT I SEE

    ________________________________

    1. If i reboot now, I think I would need to press F12, then choose UEFI "windows boot mgr." to get to windows, like it's not saved the choice for uefi.

    2. I believe sticking the rescue linuk Macrium disk, I could get to rescue enviorn. Choose a backup set, then restore. Probably have to do F12 choose windows boot mgr. to get into windows & see the restored windows.

    3. How would I then get the BIOS to match post #1, or how to remove [legacy Boot]

    4. AS I got here by choosing "windows boot mgr", I will test & post back if i can get to windows without. RE-CHOOSING F12. & test Macrium rescue CD

    5. I'm really confused what settings I need (and how to get them) in order to boot to CD, restore, then not needing F12.

    Like Arnold: I'll be back

    Thanks again
     
  4. Rico

    Rico Registered Member

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    That was quick & learned a little.

    After restarting, it would not go to windows, but said "Reboot & Select proper boot device"

    Next jam the linux Macrium Rescue CD in, & it booted to rescue CD <learned exit has nothing to do with GUI, just needed a little patience>

    so after exiting rescue cd chose F12 & UEFI Windows boot mgr. and I'm back.

    Should I attempt a restore, with the info AS IS from post #2o_Oo_Oo_O?
    _______________________________________________________________

    Then get back to post #1 bios.

    I hope this will be changing off to on, @ UEFI Boot Mode, secure boot on
     
  5. Brian K

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    Is your Windows installed in UEFI mode? Win8? If so, the BIOS should be set to Secure Boot.
     
  6. Rico

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    I think I've got it now!!!!!!

    @F12 (post #3) "Change Boot mode Settings

    UEFI boot mode, secure boot < now both say on > which gave this message

    "Do you want to change to UEFI boot mode without secure boot support? There will be legacy ROM support. System will auto reboot."

    now we go to windows with each reboot, regardless of cd disc in drive, but now at F12

    I still have:

    [Legacy]

    P0 st1000dm003
    P1 plds dvd+/- rw

    choosing P1, allows me to boot to macrium rescue, when done it reboots to windows.

    I think I'm ready to solo, or fire up the old ext. hdd. I needed a dress rehersal

    FYI - I swear at my first to F12 visit i did not see the P1 plds dvd+/- rw option. BTW Dell kept saying it was F2, F12 is six times better
     
  7. Brian K

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    Win8? See above.
     
  8. Rico

    Rico Registered Member

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    As per (post #5) visit bios change and saved to: "Secure Boot [Enabled]" This box came with 8.1! Also, BIOS is now like (post #1).
    So barring no new problems, I'll re-image from ext hdd. tomorrow!

    Thank You very much, for your help:):):)

    Take Care
    Rico
     
  9. Brian K

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    Rico,

    You have probably noticed Macrium sees more partitions than Disk Management. MSR isn't seen by Disk Management.

    Probably...

    Recovery
    EFI
    MSR
    Win8
    Dell Recovery

    Win8 is the only one you have to restore.
     
  10. Rico

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    Win8 Thanks!

    Amigo
    Rico
     
  11. Rico

    Rico Registered Member

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    Hi Brian,

    With both UEFI secure boot ON, & secure boot on BIOS - At F12 legacy boot P1 not present. Quickly shifted to legacy mode, booted To Macrium rescue CD, choose, 12/25/14 to restore to. Reboot "select proper OS msg", shutdown changed back to both secure ON & enabled secure boot & back into windows.

    Restore selection(s) Macrium CD were 6. I chose only OS (C), unticked the other 5.

    Whats really cool is M$ butchered one of my favorite programs "Snagit" (he renamed many files, & did not change it back), so the program would not load, he thought this may have been part of the problem with IE 11 cumulative updates not installing. He was way wrong! Anyway now that it's Christmas all over again, Snagit has reported for duty & ready for action. The restore & back to Christmas took only 31 minutes.

    Next:

    Bunch of unfamiliar terms this thread, so some googleing & reading.

    I will add to my notes, when making a backup set, more information, helpful when restoring.

    Never call M$, or Dell, or Verizon support, unless heavily tranquilized.

    Thanks Amigo
    Rico
     
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