Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: The death of uBlock Origin and uMatrix?

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  1. stapp

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  3. summerheat

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    @gorhill is still not happy about those changes:
     
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    EFF pleads with Google not to kill its Privacy Badger with its Manifest destiny
    April 19, 2019
    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/04/19/manifest_v3_destiny/
    a modest wish list (PDF): https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/group/chromium-extensions/attach/c480d4dcb3711/Chrome%20team%20requests-Privacy%20Badger.pdf?part=0.1&authuser=0

     
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    Will Waterfox also be affected?
     
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    These are planned changes for Chromium/Google Chrome. Waterfox is based on Firefox.
     
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    I read somewhere that Mozilla might follow some of the proposals. I don't know if that and other factors might affect addons also used for Waterfox.
     
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    See this post. If Mozilla really implements those changes - which are not yet set in stone - as well, I doubt that Waterfox won't be affected as there are hardly any add-ons specifically written for Waterfox.
     
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    Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users
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    https://9to5google.com/2019/05/29/chrome-ad-blocking-enterprise-manifest-v3/
     
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    You'll want to go to the link to see graphics they used to visualize things. 150k rules limit for an extension

    https://blog.chromium.org/2019/06/web-request-and-declarative-net-request.html


    https://security.googleblog.com/2019/06/improving-security-and-privacy-for.html

     
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    Brave, Opera and Vivaldi say they will not use the new API.

    https://www.zdnet.com/article/opera...i-ad-blocker-changes-despite-shared-codebase/

     
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    Google Says It Isn't Killing Ad Blockers. Ad Blockers Disagree
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    https://www.wired.com/story/google-chrome-ad-blockers-extensions-api/
     
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    GOOGLE SAYS IT ISN'T KILLING AD BLOCKERS

    *Obi Wan Kenobi voice*

    "These are not the droids you're looking for ... "
     
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    Google thinks they want to kill ad blockers. If they do I will uninstall Chrome from every PC I use. Not that I don't already use Firefox more. But I will use it exclusively if it comes to that.
     
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    This really is a case of the empire striking back. This is Google and other corporations really attempting to cripple the near perfect adblocking capabilities of uBO inter alia. I shall eventually remove Chrome from my desktop and laptop computers. Do you want to see something funny?

    booglegoogle.jpg

    My Chromebook not using Chrome! :thumb:
     
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    Ubuntu or something else? Never mind, you just meant the browser...
     
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    Google says they're now planning to change the rule limit from a maximum of 30,000 rules per extension to a global maximum of 150,000 rules. I wonder if this will appease Chromium ad-blocker developers and users? Reading comments online, it appears some users have more than 150k rules active, but I guess that depends on the filter sets used.
     
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    I didn't realise that I could run a version of Opera on my Chromebook. It has its limitations but I could very probably view YouTube videos without pesky ads with it when Google nobble Chrome.
     
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    I don't believe jack what Google say anymore. They've lost me as a user, even if it was never my default browser.
     
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    nah, no changes,
    read ublock developer's comments on twitter and adguard's andrey meshkov comments on chrome extensions
     
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    That said, I think you can run Linux on a Chromebook. At least some of them. Have you considered it? I do not have one, but it would be more compelling with a different OS.
     
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    Well, there's always the AdGuard. It costs if you don't want to find it gratis.
     
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    I'm pretty sure you can run some Linux programs on mine. It's one of the relatively inexpensive Asus models though and I'm not sure if I have the disc space with all my other apps. I'll have to look into it. I don't think you can dual boot.
     
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    Google: still full of it.

    https://gizmodo.com/google-no-of-course-were-not-slowly-killing-ad-block-1835495590

    “There’s been a lot of confusion and misconception around both the motivations and implications of this change, including speculation that these changes were designed to prevent or weaken ad blockers,” Google writes in a separate blog detailing the differences between the two APIs. “This is absolutely not the goal. In fact, this change is meant to give developers a way to create safer and more performant ad blockers.” op cit

    o_O

    At least on the surface, this looks like a good thing. But there are a few niggling details that call that into question. Back in January, the Register reported that Adblock Plus and similar plugins relying on basic filtering would still be able to function, while more sophisticated ones like uBlock Origin and uMatrix would be completely borked. The site also noted that well, Google had conveniently paid Adblock Plus to let their own ads pass unblocked in the software. In a statement, Ghostery, another popular adblocker, pointed out the Declarative Net Request API was limited, and that it wouldn’t be possible to “modify or kill potentially dangerous or privacy-invading requests.” op cit

    :blink:
     
  25. AutoCascade

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    Extensions will have to be rewritten and from the sounds of it blocking lists will be set within an extension when it is installed not user definable at all afterwards - that comes from a post by the CTO of Adguard Andrey Meshkov in this thread which is very lightly populated at this point. Filters will be static.

    https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!msg/chromium-extensions/qFNF3KqNd2E/OnidEBO9BgAJ

    There appears to be a question also of whether the 150k rule set limit is browser wide or per extension. Safari recently limited their ad blocking api also but a few adblocking extensions have just created multiple extensions that install in tandem allowing more rules still. From an unanswered question in the groups link it's apparently unclear whether that will be possible.
     
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