Discussion in 'other software & services' started by summerheat, Jan 20, 2019.
Chrome API update will kill a bunch of other extensions, not just ad blockers
It was good to see a number of "heavyweights" express their disapproval with this ludicrous proposal. probably a slim chance, but hopefully they can influence Chrome devs to reconsider.
Saw that a little while ago. Troubling to say the least.
Especially when it's pieced together with that Mozilla blog post indicating they also are moving to Manifest v3, adopting the standard of the market leader = 'best interest of all users'.
Taking a 2nd look at Pi-Hole.
Looks like Firefox will be adopting Manifest v3 as well. So all the main browsers will have this including Edge as it moves to Chromium-based. It’s like jumping into a DeLorean and travelling at 88mph back in time. We will be left with the Hosts file, Adguard for Desktop, BlackFog and the like. So unfortunate and disappointing.
I can still remember using Proxomitron. Maybe I'll have to go back to it even though it hasn't been updated in years.
You'll still be able to block with programs like hostman and such right?
How exactly does Pi-Hole work? Does it effetively become your DNS server? Have always heard good things about it but never looked into it. Maybe it's time. Do you install it on a secondary machine on your LAN?
Wow a blast from the past. Have not used or even thought about this product in many years.
You can run pi-hole on the pc itself I believe at least with Linux, windows may require a VM, they also sell a pihole rasberry on their website for $90 all set and ready to go that you plug into your router (as long as the router can accept certain directions). Yes it works through DNS, I believe, but I'm no expert I've just investigated a bit. There is almost nothing on Wilder about it. There is a pihole in house forum and an active sub reddit. Users are very enthusiastic - that much I know.
I can vividly remember frustration with hostfiles and trying privoxy type programs before httpswitchboard/umatrix then ublock came along. Those were game changers imo.
Maybe the Mozilla thing won't happen. I do believe they are more interested in what their users think than Google is. Push back to Mozilla will have an effect. Where do we push back?
I read it differently:
Windows HOSTS is a basic filter, but at least not granular enough, no files, no content based filtering.
Will have to check it out and look on Reddit as well. I never really looked into it but as I said now may be a good time. My PC has issues running a VM due to the older hardware so I would likely go for a secondary device. Let me know what you decide to do.
Care to expand on that?
They clearly state they intend to move to Manifest v3. Maybe there will be two separate Manifest v3's web standards.
Google doesn't appear to be consulting Mozilla on Manifest v3.
Ghostery threatens anti-trust complaint over Google Chrome’s proposed ad blocking changes
This 'Google breaking adblockers' story is now all over the web including Fortune & Forbes Magazines. Very active on both German and Spanish news/tech sites also.
They quoted what the Google person said.
That doesn't mean they may decide to do something who knows what some day.
Yes, I agree. I understand it as an invitation to Google to collaborate on about how manifest v3 could look like.
Firefox Product Manager on Twitter: Firefox isn't going to do anything with ad blockers
Hopefully that's the case because Chrome will be sending tens of millions of users to Firefox.
I'm having nightmares just thinking about pre umatrix/ublock.
Is Asa Dotzler a programmer who would be involved with things like Manifest V3?
Well, I know that he has been a long-time leading Mozilla employee. His website says:
This does sound like a big problem, but perhaps this is indeed good news for Mozilla.
What do you guys think about Google's explanation, that this must be done to improve extension security? BTW, Ghostery now offers a payed version, I don't really trust these guys, but I still used it for years.
Security is the laziest excuse used by every company ever.
Everything is done in the name of security and safety, and the average joes accept it.
TamperMonkey May Be the Next Victim of Google's Chrome Manifest V3 Changes
January 28, 2019
After outrage over Chrome ad-block block plan, Google backs away from crippling web advert, content filters
Revised proposals attempt to address worries over Manifest v3 API changes
February 16, 2019
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