Windows Blue build 9364 leaked to the internet

In the links I posted, there were several technical details.

 

That was all marketing... I remain unconvinced.

 

If you obviously made a mistake, then publically admitting it the way to do it. And you have to do it fast. Windows Blue is the first build to make it happen - obviously they continue the non-Start button idea and the "Metro" design. Bringing back the Start button in Windows 9 might be too late. And yes, I do agree that making an excuse for such a big company is difficult.

 

Not at all. They can collectively point their fingers at Mr. Ballmer and say that he was the sole culprit with all his stupid ideas and that this evil guy is now FIRED and "desktop" windows world can finally relax while waiting for the real Win7 successor (a word which probably is derived from SUCCESS and not from BLEW like in the color which is part of the thread title. )

 

I think the truth is that they're not yet ready to admit they made a mistake. In fact, it could be a year or two before they come to that point. Looks like they are just going to play out their agenda and see what happens. I don't think they even care at this point...

 

"Marketing" doesn't mean "false".

 

i'm sure they do care.
but Windows 8 just came out a few months ago.

personally, i have no problems with Win 8.

whether Microsoft can succeed in the tablet and mobile devices is another thing and i wish them all the luck.
because i need Windows to run some stuff. lol

i think it would be premature for Microsoft to deviate from their game plan at this time.
it's way too early in the game...

 

Ballmer is the CEO. IMO, these ideas are probably as old as him, he only authorized them.

 

This post made sense.

 

Because not everybody likes to get in home and sit in front of a desktop for multiple minutes/hours in order to get some fast tasks done (such as playing a music or video)?

 

I heard a rumor that each copy of Windows Blue will ship with a free jar of vaseline, compliments of Microsoft.

 

Of course not, because desktop is still available. But what do you think of the evil plans to destroy that platform for some locked apple like system (WinRT app crap) in a few years?

I don't! - Because that's the only way Ballmer is getting fired which will be the day when millions of people will applaud and crying out of pure joy!

So MS did choose to shrink. I don't think that's a good alternative to 'standing still' which they weren't anyway. "Modern" is not "good" per se.

I think if they are losing time they can't get people back that wandered in horror about Win8/Blue in another OS direction. So they better not wait more than 1 year to come up with the new "Win7" (touch app and store crap OPTIONAL only if the desktop user wants that - asking during installation).

 

It eliminates intermediaries and allows a more vivid experience. "Real contact" with what you want to interact.

As for dirty fingers, some touch screens are resistant to that and don't exhibit the fingerprints.

It is easier to learn (more natural and logical) and makes more sense than recording hotkeys. And you don't have to sit.

Now, for time-consuming tasks (writing a text, "nerding" for hours in front of a PC, etc), I can see mouse and keyboard making more sense.

 

It may well happen, but only if WinRT ecosystem matures to a point where Win32 is not necessary anymore for anything.

As a platform, WinRT is technically superior in so many ways and can get improved faster and easier, btw. And it isn't that different from Win32 (no big shock for devs).

A link that talks about this in detail (I already posted, but here it goes again): http://arstechnica.com/features/2012/10/windows-8-and-winrt-everything-old-is-new-again/

 

Well, you can talk about the new shiny metro-world and praise it all you want. But you could just do a poll asking people if they really want to buy software in the future only from MS store, having a totally locked down system like in those stupid Apple religion.

I don't want that! I don't care about pseudo-advantages that they have to tell us of course so that we walk blindly into the trap. - I want the system like it IS! Windows itself is not really relevant, developers and their products ARE (to me). And I want to buy from vendors and shareware authors directly without having to go to a MS store that sells the approved stuff with their provision on top! - NO THANK YOU AND NO WAY!

 

Windows isn't a community project from some socialist or communist government, or some NGO or whatever.

Windows is a product from a capitalist company.

If Microsoft decides to kill Win32 and go all-in with WinRT, at some point you'll have to accept that or move on to some alternative. lol

 

The future is in web technologies and web-based apps - and there will be many web based apps. You say it very easy - you'll have to accept - yes, the home users (the small fishes) will either accept or move to alternatives such as Linux. BUT what will happen to businesses/organizations/etc with tens of thousands of machines. Currently the world is driven by Windows (Windows 2003/2008 servers and their services such as SQL/Exchange, etc).

The transition to the Metro is obvious and slow. Microsoft want the Deskop/the keyboard and the mouse dead in 12 years (11 still remain) but something serious must happen to make them change their *business plan*.

 

I wonder when you are ready with editing your nonsense? - In that present form MS reminds me more of that socialist government in Brussels. They decide things not listening to customers and risking to loose lots of money.

I wish they were! Then Win8 wouldn't have happened. But they are driven by some "visionary" who clearly has lost it (watch youtube!) and is out of his mind half the time.

.. I am gonna mourn their suicide and then move on, no problem.

I wonder what is in it for you? Why are you taking the side of Redmond ALL the time? With NO exception? Did you ever have something to criticize? No? Why not? - Your Pro-MS-troll-act to have a bit fun on this forum here (while getting people on barricades over absurd statements) is getting old and since you yesterday made very clear that you can't be trusted (I am talking about your blatant lies not having a favorite brand etc. because you clearly have, or show me where you praise Apple or Google stuff the same way like you do with MS software and regiment!) I am not believing you ONE word now, to me you are a FAKE person and not real at all. I also don't believe that you are the consumer guy that is happy and content with touchy toys ONLY and is NOT also a power user like we all are. How could you then always agitate against desktop programs which - I am sure - you use the same like we all do? - It's because you are only trolling around, nothing more. - You can't fool me anymore, never did actually.

 

And guys, please let me REMIND you we are in security related forum.


This very hot discussion but nobody has mentioned *s*e*c*u*r*I*t*y* so far.
Let's talk about security and security software.
Most popular security software is antivirus.
Antivirus for home users.

With this "new" MS plan (anti-Desktop business strategy), with the inclusion of Windows Defender into Windows, with the many new built in technologies, with the transition to Metro design and with the transition to all-cloud-technologies and all software coming from Windows Store - antivirus will dye. Only some very big vendors will survive - Symantec, McAfee, etc. But they will be no longer known as antivirus producers but more of security services providers for corporations. MSE/Windows Defender will be what consumers will use.

Antivirus business for small vendors - AVG, Avast, ESET , etc - dying business
That is very dangerous - I see many unemployed people who must start doing something else

 

As I see it, the ones staying or moving to Microsoft solutions, are mostly on Software Assurance plans, where the big transitions will probably only get smoother.

 

Skipping the personal attacks, I agree with MS in most things - as I already said in previous posts. And this forum allows me to express my opinion with certain limits, of course.

Yes, there are some decisions of MS that I don't agree or fully understand. I'm still not happy with the lack of a Windows 8 "Ultimate" or an easier to buy Windows 8 Enterprise.

And other smaller things, but here isn't the thread for exposing them, it would be off topic like your personal attacks.

 

AVG, Avast and ESET aren't small. In fact, Avast market share is bigger than Symantec's last I checked.

As for security related forum, yes, but we are in the "other software & services" section.

 

Trust me - they are very small. Forget about market share - this market share is only among consumers - consumers are small fish in the enormous ocean of clients. It is all about company size and recourses, company alternatives and what they have to resist the change or to transition to something else.

 

Are you proposing a discussion on this? Are we really going to discuss what potentially unemployed people are going to do?

 

I prefer to trust on data, numbers, etc. I don't know how they compare in every economical aspect, only in market share.