Discussion in 'other anti-virus software' started by Cloud, Mar 16, 2011.
Which version of the BitDefender engine does it use? 2009?
I have been discussing with Ron Hessing (Founder & CEO of ZenOK) and got some information.
• The latest version using the BitDefender 2010 engine, not 2009. They will have a release available with the new engine soon.
• The realtime protection might have a potential bug. This might be the reason why the on-access scanner doesn't detect much (or none in some cases). After watching some youtube tests, read sg09's "review" (on Wilders), and did some personal findings/tests of my own, I have concluded that this might be true. For some reason, the on-demand scanner detects more than the realtime module. I reported this to ZenOK already and I am waiting for a response.
• ZenOK Security Toolbar detects malicious sites (i.e. -indiaantivirus.com-) but like SiteAdvisor, it lacks the ability to actually block the page. This feature will implemented the next update (which is next week).
• As was mentioned, ZenOK doesn't fully integrate into Security Center. Ron explained they have to sign some contracts first with Microsoft. They are working on this.
• More configuration options will be added soon in one of the next future updates. Security notification alerts might be added as well (hopefully), it will most likely be automatic (like with Norton).
I am helping ZenOK to improve because, with assistance from (smart, young, handsome, cool) users such as myself, they will be able to further improve their product. Besides, I benefit from the extra knowledge from my research. IT security is my favorite activity in the computer field.
I sure hope so, Mr handsome
The BD engine should be able improve ZenOK.
You didn't mention whether or not you talked to him about his EULA?
None taken. In fact, I took it as a complement rather than an offense.
I am currently using in my netbook. It is very light (it is!), on-demand scanner is fast, and it now provides 2GB of free online backup. Its lighter than BD, and the scanner is much faster.
Also, I sent ZenOK some places where they can find malware samples. (MDL, malc0de, and virussign.) As it seems they keep missing a lot of the samples from these domains.
They will be adding a forum in the near future, and there will be volunteer mods.
I have never seen it detect anything, so it would be great if you could post a screenie when it actually detects something?
But ZenOK does detect stuff. Like I had mentioned before, the realtime scanner must have a bug or something. Anyways, I will do an on-demand test and post back the results.
I've never seen it detect anything.
Errrr, sounds like some pre-alpha bug to me?
You know what? I always thought that too. But I tried to download a few samples from malc0de and they were unsuccessful. First they were blocked by smartscreen filter, then turned it off and all of a sudden they wouldn't download correctly. I opened the ZenOK panel and noticed seven files in quarantine. They were locked. I tried running the ones that were able to download "correctly" but was welcomed with an error.
I tried with Chrome and all downloads were successful. I was confused now and ran the one that ZenOK had locked previously. It ran. I closed the installer and decided to scan the files. ZenOK detected most of them as malicious. So here is my report:
1) The Secure Downloads feature most likely only works on IE and Firefox. I used IE9. This feature works even if you turn off the ultra-light scan.
2) The realtime scanner doesn't work as it should, seems to me it runs much like a never-ending on-demand scanner. The on-demand scanner retains BitDefender's reputation (read above^, it uses the 2010 engine). It also produces a few FPs, another BD trait. Some of the detections used simliar threat names as BD might have recognized them as.
Conclusion: ZenOK has a few bugs that can be easily fixed in one of the upcoming product updates. If you had used Chrome, try IE or FF. Or after closing Chrome, scan the files and review the results. Help me to help Zenok improve and become a better alternative to ClamAV (yes, I read that comment, RejZor)!
I have always thought that there is some serious untested bug in ZenOK realtime scanner. Thank you for helping them to sort it out. I know it's much harder to help than criticize. So I will comment further only after testing the coming build myself. Please ask Ron to become more responsive in this thread. If they are sincere enough to sort the bugs out I am sure here he will find many users to help him.
I always wish ZenOK to improve so that we can get a real free realtime alternative antivirus using Bitdefender engine (one of my favorite).
Indeed it is. And I agree, it is a serious bug...though I am still waiting for a response on this from him.
And it gets even better, as there will be a ZenOK firewall component in the near future. Best part is: it will be free.
That's very good news. i am always in favor of free softwares. I wish them to get better with any kind of free help asked to offer....
Qihoo 360 also use BitDefender engine, too bad it's Chinese only. There seems to be plans of a real-time BitDefender Free version as well.
I didn't. I thought it was best to help sort out the bugs and stuff first, the EULA is not top priority IMO. And isn't my specialty. You may discuss the problem with him if you want.
The problem with the realtime module is that both processes can block the same signature files, which creates this issue. According to the email, the next update that will resolve this issue will be in six weeks.
I hope it comes much sooner, if possible...
Wait a minute...does that quote say "WinDefendLike"? No messing with the name, bro.
An update will be released sometime this week to address all the bugs I notified them of.
Are all the bugs fixed now?
Nope. They probably did not have the update ready yet. They had said six weeks, so it should be available by the first of June.
ZenOK Security Toolbar has been recently updated. Latest is version 184.108.40.206. It now displays a block page before entering a potentially risky website (includes go back and continue links). Reminds us of the BD Trafficlight block page, yes?
Simply out of curiousity, is anybody currently using this AV?
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