Zemana Antilogger failed its own test

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  1. zmechys

    zmechys Registered Member

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    I've decided to test my Zemana Antilogger Protection 1.9.3.251 by using Zemana's own utilities:

    http://www.zemana.com/LeakTest/keylogger-test.aspx
    http://www.zemana.com/LeakTest/clipboardlogger-test.aspx
    http://www.zemana.com/LeakTest/webcamlogger-test.aspx

    First, I've tried the Clipboardlogger test. Neither my BitDefender nor Zemana Antilogger showed ANYTHING. ZERO REACTION.
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    Next, I've tried the keylogger test. No reaction from Bitdenfener or Zemana.
    Microsoft informed me about possible harm from .exe file.
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    Last, I've tried the webcamlogger test. Again, no reaction from Bitdefender or Zemana.
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    Am I doing something wrong?
     
  2. Notok

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    Windows 8 restricts access to, and hooking of win32k.sys, and this prevents programs like Zemana Anti-Logger from blocking keyloggers, even though they can still function. I'm finding that firewalls with anti-leak features are affected as well.

    This post on MSDN explains briefly:
    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Fo...y/thread/27f483ca-8449-4abd-aedd-3d73e956649c


    From the Ars Technica article "Better on the Inside: Under the Hood of Windows 8"
     
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  4. Notok

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    Companies like Zemana have their work cut out for them. Security software vendors in general may well need to consider new strategies for blocking malware. On the up side, the bad guys will probably need to develop a new approach as well.
     
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    Well, at least they're honest...
     
  6. zmechys

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    Yes, I have Windows 8 64-bit system.

    From Zemana's web-site:
    Supported operating systems:
    Windows XP with Service Pack 2 or higher (32bit and 64bit)
    Microsoft Windows Vista (32bit and 64bit)
    Microsoft Windows 7 (32bit and 64bit)
    Microsoft Windows 8 (32bit and 64bit)
     
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    When the best AV, BitDefender 8, and Zemana Antilogger (+HIPS) fail, a rule of thumb is:

    ALWAYS USE SANDBOXIE.
     
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    Zemana AK provides x64 protection for almost everything. Per the support section on the Zemana AK web site:

     
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    What happened to ShieldFreeKeyloggerProtection?
     
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    On WIN 7 x64, Zemana AK stopped SpySheleter's test dead in its tracks. Ditto for the AKLT test.

    Issue here might be WIN 8 as so noted above.
     
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    If Zemana has issues with Windows 8, they should post that message on their web-site, like Avira did.

    "Avira Version 2013 is not yet fully supported on Windows 8."
     
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    Best thing would be to contact Zemana. My take on this is the simulation test has no been updated for WIN 8.
     
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    I did contact Zemana. Haven't heard yet.
     
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    I fully agree with you that Windows 8 is different from Windows 7. But.

    If Windows 8 has made a lot of changes to the kernel to improve security, how does it protect me, the user of Windows 8, the person who's upgraded from Windows 7?
    Does Windows 8 protect me by dismantling Zemana Antilogger, that does an excellent job on Windows 7?
    From your article:
    "it takes the solid Windows 7 foundation and makes things better".
    Really?
    Or may be I forgot about the new antilogger from Microsoft.
    Where can I download the anti-logger from Microsoft?
     
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    You seem to be responding to a point that I never made; I'm commenting on compatibility issues. Zemana and others may support x64, in part or full, but Windows 8 compatibility is a different issue. So the point is that the OP isn't doing anything wrong, and that it's worth it for everyone on the forum to read up on the changes to be aware of them as we discover the implications.

    However, it helps by making it harder for malware to get a keylogger on your system in the first place.

    For people whose security strategy includes blocking certain behaviors of malware once it's fully active may need to make a shift in their security strategy. It is entirely possible to retain the same level of security without these specific features. I would also bet that there's new types of protection on the horizon.
     
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    Please, explain to me how it (Windows :cool: made harder for malware get a keylogger on my system, if I've proved otherwise.
    I'm not asking you about those "good intentions" to fight malware that I've read in your article.
    I'm asking about my specific case only, my computer only.
     
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    So you want me to take personal responsibility for your personal security strategy? Sorry, I've given you enough information to get started; it's up to you to find ways of mitigating the risks of your particular circumstances.

    I think I've also provided the information to address your original question, which is that Windows 8 prevents those functions in ZAL and in other products that do the same. What you do with that information is up to you. You can always contact Zemana.
     
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    First of all, thank you for your response and the link to the article.
    I believe that the developers of Windows 8 had the best intentions.
    I can only blame myself for installing Windows 8. I could not resist all those marketing pitches like:

    "Windows 8 is Windows 7, only better,"
    "windows 8 trust me, it's better than windows 7",
    "Windows 8. It's faster than Windows 7 and more stable."
    "Any PC that runs Windows 7 should run Windows 8 even better", etc...

    It's just my luck with Windows 8.

    P.S. I've tried the test on Windows 7 and Zemana immediately informed me about it.

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    They were never good even on Windows 7. They claim x64 compatibility. They passed alot of tests from my comparison to Spyshelter. Spyshelter swept Zemana off its feet.
     
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    This is why I don't use Zemana.
     
  22. zmechys

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    I got a response from Zemana Technical Support:

    "...few minor bugs surfaced with the 64-bit version. So if you are using 32bit machine, please go ahead and install it. Our engineers are working on fixing the bugs and estimated release date is on the next months."
     
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    The issue here its only limited to windows 8/64bit. Zemana on Windows 8/32bit pass without problems all tests.
     
  24. waters

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    IF you use both then that is your problem,i am 100%sure.I posted logs off to Bitdefender support and detection in Bitdefender if affected by Zemana .Uninstall one
     
  25. itman

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    Good point. Zemana AK antilogger.exe program is injected with your AV's real time protection module to avoid conflicts. If your AV doesn't permit that, there will be conflicts.
     
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