Xerobank questions/price

Discussion in 'privacy technology' started by Fly, Apr 3, 2009.

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  1. Fly

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    Several things have drawn my attention to Xerobank.

    I did visit the website. Unfortunately, I can't find any prices for the different services !

    Can you enlighten us a bit, Steve ? I hate doing a trial without knowing what the regular price will be. If it matters, I'm in the eurozone. I did read a post with a price in USD, if I were to subscribe, what currency would I have to use ?

    The difference between the different services for 'personal' and 'business' is not entirely clear, but perhaps that's beyond the scope of a post like this.

    Also, if I'm not mistaken, your service can break through firewalls ? I think I read something similar about Ultrasurf, although I don't believe you're 'rogue'. :)
    Your software doesn't need permision by the firewall to connect to the outside ?
     
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    Personal service is $35/USD per month, first month is $1. ~1.2 dollars = 1 euro. With an account you get everything listed in the XeroBank Service Summary

    XeroBank Personal level stuff is the strongest consumer-ready anonymity out on the market by far, includes international multi-hop multiplexed crowded broadband VPN with exit country selection. Business stuff is for corporations that do competitive intelligence, open source intelligence gathering, need thousands of IPs for hiding their traffic, anonymous closed group networking / darknets, or need the strongest communication privacy/security that money can buy.

    XeroBank Personal includes anonymous email and anonymous VPN service, 75 GB/month premium concurrent connections, and a single unlimited regular traffic connection (coming soon). Will also expand with VOIP and storage this year. And yes, our network can walk through most firewalls, and will accept credentials if the firewall requires it. It will talk encrypted via TCP on port 80 (web browsing) if it has to.
     
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    Can you explain more about this? (unless there's already a thread somewhere) 75gb premium vs regular unlimited?
     
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    What we normally give you is 75 GB /month of premium is dedicated high mbps bandwidth, unlimited concurrent connections so you can have all your devices hooked up to the same account, encrypted international anonymous cascade with multiplexing & crowding. However, some folks do a lot of downloading or go over their limit, so we are introducing an unlimited feature where users will get an additional connection option for their account that has no GB limits, is a single proxy.

    Let's say you were going to do some downloading, and you wanted it really fast, and it was going to be a large file, and you wanted encryption and privacy, you could just connect your "unlimited" xerobank connection, and it won't count against your monthly premium usage. This connection node is for heavy users, and is a failover for users who go over their normal monthly limits.
     
  5. Fly

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    Thank you for your answers.

    One thing that I just thought of, is the issue of security software (consumer).

    Some AVs, if not all, but especially McAfee (Doubleclick), collect personal data.

    What kind of security setup would you advise your customers ? This type of software tends to phone home, and if you pay for it I suppose it could compromise your anonymity.
     
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    XeroBank's VPN will keep uninvited traffic from visiting your computer, which acts as an outward facing firewall. However, it sounds like you are concerned about traffic originating from your home computer, leaving and going out to the internet. Our VPN connection captures all the outbound traffic as well, meaning that "rogue" programs would exit through your XeroBank IP address, and not reveal your true IP address. So incoming and outgoing, all software uses the XeroBank VPN and sees the XeroBank IPs, not your own.

    However, if you are worried about rogue programs that can simply phone home and just don't want them to, you would need an inward facing Firewall or Host Intrusion Protection System software to watch your outgoing traffic. One example I recall liking was Kerio Personal Firewall, but I'm not a specialist in software firewalls.
     
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    If I understand correctly, you don't need anything like an antivirus, except perhaps for on-demand scans of software/data you downloaded ?

    But what if one of the emails you receive is infected with a virus ?
     
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    Do not get rid of your antivirus service. XB is not an antivirus or antispyware software for finding and removing bugs, it prevents your internet connection and what you do online from being spied on by 3rd parties, and protects your identity from all parties. XeroBank provides online identity protection services. That means network encryption, internet anonymity, and anonymous email. If your computer gets viruses, that is an entirely different threat, issue, and solution.
     
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    Fly...

    Give Xerobank a try, you won't be disappointed.
     
  10. Lyx

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    Hi Steve

    I have some complementary questions about Xerobank's products:

    0) Does the Xerobank's Personnal service uses java ? (I often have problems with application that are using java)

    1) Does the Xerobank's Personnal service allows port forwarding ?

    2) Is it possible to chose le location of the exit node of the "unlimited" xerobank connection ? Is this connexion encrypted ?

    3) What are the difference, in term of security and anonymity, between this "single unlimited regular traffic connection", and ShadowVPN (witch has only 1 note, but is not unlimited).

    4) Moreover, isn't ShadowVPN overpriced ?

    Xerobank's personnal: 75 GB/mo, 2 nodes in choosen locations + Mixes and cascade, email, hosting, for $35/motn;

    ShadowVpn: Only 1 node in a determined location, no email, no hosting, only 10 GB/month (witch is very few in my opinion), for $10/month. The price per GB of bandwith is 2 time higher for a security and anonymity much weaker....
     
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    Our technology does not rely on java.

    No. Port forwarding is incompatible with anonymity because it violates crowding. Anyone offering port forwarding while claiming anonymity is a scam.

    All connections are encrypted, we do not allow for the possibility of unencrypted connections. You will be able to choose the location of the unlimited node. We will likely start with unlimited nodes in USA and then Netherlands.

    In my opinion, not much. I'm sure there is a more technical explanation, but I haven't inquired as to what stefan has designed.

    Not really. It is a true OpenVPN connection, not a 2nd-rate PPTP or L2TP connection like relakks etc which charge ~$7/m, and is significantly faster than most every service. It has stronger privacy and anonymity than all other single-hop systems out there because it shares crowding with XeroBank's exit node traffic in netherlands. It has stronger consumer protection because it is not a US, UK, EU corporation, and is managed by Xero Networks itself. While it isn't the same $/GB ratio as XeroBank's network, you're spending less total per month which is what low volume users want. Actually... nothing stops a XeroBank client from sharing his 75GB/m account with 7 other people, or reselling it in chunks if they were so inclined.
     
  12. Lyx

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    Thank you for your clear answers.


    I understand this anonymity concern ; but how is it then possible with xerobanks to run apps witch needs the opening of some non standart ports ?? Non P2P with xerobank' personnal service ?
     
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    As long as you are the one to initiate the connection to a destination's port, that's fine. A destination won't be able to initiate a connection to a port on your machine though because it 1. can't find you behind our network, 2. won't traverse our firewalling.
     
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