Windows Defender Is Becoming the Powerful Antivirus That Windows 10 Needs

Discussion in 'other anti-virus software' started by Secondmineboy, Jan 30, 2016.

  1. imdb

    imdb Registered Member

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2011
    Posts:
    3,579
    vs installs and runs its own service, whereas h_c is just a front-end for native win services and settings with no extra/3rd party services to run. ;)
     
  2. Stelica

    Stelica Registered Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2014
    Posts:
    63
    Location:
    Romania
    Yes, but before that it was also discussed about OSA which also has its own service. That's why I referred to VS as a WD strengthening solution
     
  3. Krusty

    Krusty Registered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2012
    Posts:
    9,549
    Location:
    Among the gum trees
    But this thread is about Microsoft Defender. Not about plus OSA or VS.
     
  4. Antarctica

    Antarctica Registered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2003
    Posts:
    2,052
    Location:
    Canada
    Yes you are absolutely right, I'm sorry...:confused:
     
  5. mood

    mood Updates Team

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2012
    Posts:
    42,809
    Defender Control 1.5 - Open source windows defender disabler
    Website
    Download
     
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2022
  6. plat1098

    plat1098 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2018
    Posts:
    1,460
    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
    Got an update to the Platform just now.

    Here are my current versions in Windows Security/About

    antimalware versions.png

    Hopefully it's all current. Windows 11 build 22000.493

    Edit: according to here, it is. Alrighty then.
     
  7. ams963

    ams963 Registered Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2011
    Posts:
    6,039
    Location:
    Parallel Universe
    I am only using WD on my newly built pc. I did not get any malware on my old laptop for years and hopefully the WD will save the day in the future too. Using WD and following a few precautions and tips are all I need.
     
  8. Minimalist

    Minimalist Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2014
    Posts:
    14,638
    Location:
    Slovenia, EU
  9. Rasheed187

    Rasheed187 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2004
    Posts:
    15,193
    Location:
    The Netherlands
  10. xxJackxx

    xxJackxx Registered Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2008
    Posts:
    7,136
    Location:
    USA
    Self defense doesn't seem to be a strong point with the free products. Or really most of the U.S. based products.
     
  11. Surt

    Surt Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2019
    Posts:
    381
    Location:
    USA
    Yep. Defender Platform background updated yesterday from 4.18.2111.5-0 to 4.18.2201.10-0 on my Win10 systems.
     
  12. Rasheed187

    Rasheed187 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2004
    Posts:
    15,193
    Location:
    The Netherlands
    Is it just the free products? I do believe there is a tamper protection option for Win Defender on Win 10/11 but it won't help against these type of blunders obviously. It might help when malware tries to disable WD. But as discussed before in the other topic, I have this feeling that in those big ransomware attacks on companies, they might often succeed in disabling AV's. That's why those attacks are so successful, either that or AV's are still not good enough.
     
  13. xxJackxx

    xxJackxx Registered Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2008
    Posts:
    7,136
    Location:
    USA
    No, that's why I followed with the "Or really just most of the U.S. based products." It seems like the Russian products seem to have the best self defense/tamper protection. Or at least historically did. Microsoft has not done a great job of locking down files and registry entries for their own product, especially if another file or executable signed by Microsoft is used to exploit it as they seem to give their own stuff unlimited access to anything on the system. The is one of the better arguments to set UAC at maximum. When I think of all of the exploits I have seen for Notepad where it is used to gain access to things it should not it makes me feel they should have 2 classes of Microsoft signed files on a system. But again, max UAC cuts down on it to a large degree.
     
  14. Rasheed187

    Rasheed187 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2004
    Posts:
    15,193
    Location:
    The Netherlands
    OK I see what you mean. I do believe that OSArmor is capable of blocking attacks involving so called LOLBins, UAC is too annoying to me.
     
  15. wat0114

    wat0114 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2012
    Posts:
    3,576
    Location:
    Canada
    Yeah but not really scary at all, since it takes either local access to exploit, or if via remote access, then scripting or powershell, which is easily prevented by augmenting Defender with a 3rd-arty measure of security, including SWH or H_C.

    Yes.

    OSA LOLBins.png
     
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2022
  16. Rasheed187

    Rasheed187 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2004
    Posts:
    15,193
    Location:
    The Netherlands
    OK I see, then OSArmor should indeed do the trick.
     
  17. Minimalist

    Minimalist Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2014
    Posts:
    14,638
    Location:
    Slovenia, EU
    Microsoft Defender updates its Exclusion permissions
    https://www.onmsft.com/news/microsoft-will-not-let-you-skip-defender-scans-anymore
     
  18. xxJackxx

    xxJackxx Registered Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2008
    Posts:
    7,136
    Location:
    USA
    Disappointing. If this is all they are doing it likely won't help much. If all they are doing is requiring admin, it is still too open. They need to limit it so these settings can ONLY be accessed by Defender. Otherwise there will still be exploits that will change the settings. Plus any executable that runs as admin.
     
  19. matt6575

    matt6575 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2015
    Posts:
    5
    What is H_C
     
  20. n8chavez

    n8chavez Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2003
    Posts:
    3,124
    Location:
    Location Unknown
    Hard_Configurator. It's a windows' setting tweaker/restrictor. It's excellent.
     
  21. Minimalist

    Minimalist Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2014
    Posts:
    14,638
    Location:
    Slovenia, EU
    New Kraken botnet easily fools Windows Defender and steals Crypto wallet data
    https://www.neowin.net/news/beware-...ndows-defender-and-steals-crypto-wallet-data/
     
  22. Antarctica

    Antarctica Registered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2003
    Posts:
    2,052
    Location:
    Canada
    What about «other Antivirus », do they stop this botnet?:thumbd:
     
  23. Minimalist

    Minimalist Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2014
    Posts:
    14,638
    Location:
    Slovenia, EU
    I don't know, there is no info about it in Zerofox's article. Even MD could possibly detect it during download (blocking Smokeloader execution) but IDK what defences are left after it adds itself to exclusions.
     
  24. Antarctica

    Antarctica Registered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2003
    Posts:
    2,052
    Location:
    Canada
    Thank you @Minimalist, yeah I read the article. That was the reason of my question.:)
     
  25. Rasheed187

    Rasheed187 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2004
    Posts:
    15,193
    Location:
    The Netherlands
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.