Windows Defender Is Becoming the Powerful Antivirus That Windows 10 Needs

Discussion in 'other anti-virus software' started by Secondmineboy, Jan 30, 2016.

  1. EASTER

    EASTER Registered Member

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    Great tool. I exclude it and also use it. Not to carelessly turn off Windows Defender (I run mine ON) but because it becomes instances when WD interferes with deep dive program tools I need such as if you delete a very large Gb folder/file and simply delete it still hangs up in $Recycler on disk even after Empty, and causes a defragmenter to stumble & stall because it remains on disk. Then I use a Power User program like PC Hunter or another to Force Delete effectively pulling it off disk where it can no longer interfere with being considered a file.

    Sometimes if not always, Windows keeps attached software protection on the deleted files in that .old Folder especially after REFRESH. In such situation you insert a UFD and reboot to the parallel screen and it removes easily. (inactive disk) For example on Windows 8 doing a REFRESH Windows leaves Windows.old folder of still protected Program Files/Windows Folder etc. You MUST clear that folder off disk entirely or the silly machine code of windows gets confused (still applies protection token to the system files in it) and I seen programs junction to files/processes in it.

    Mind you please, this only applies to Windows 8 (refresh feature) as far as I know but definitely so.
     
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  2. Hiltihome

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    That .old folder can be easily removed by Windows disk-cleanup, when started with admin rights.
     
  3. EASTER

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    On one of my refresh runs it left over 10Gb of files and out of expediency I just rebooted and used a PE to quickly remove it. Disk-cleanup is rather slower.
     
  4. Rasheed187

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    Perhaps it's because it isn't digitally signed.
    Also the main website is HTTP. (not sure where Softpedia gets it from)
     
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    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/threat-protection/microsoft-defender-smartscreen/microsoft-defender-smartscreen-overview
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    btw ~ Norton 360 Download Insight threw WS.Reputation.1 flag - Few Users - Very New
    File: tisp1964.exe
    File size: 1,000 KB (1,023,621 bytes)
    MD5 checksum: B211D24E7D4ECBED0A4DCCE4EB2E6CED
    SHA256 checksum: 07DF7FB0F8A3074C60DC80D57ADFA9B4013A59065248A8415D6BAF58044C0F7B
     
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  7. moredhelfinland

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    Somewhat obsolete, but ppl think that WD is mother of all AVs. It's not.
    Its an basic cloud AV, easy to disable. It does not protect your bankin, nor MTM attacks, dll injections, keyloggers and so on.
    See here https://avlab.pl/PDF_avlab/AVLab-Test-of-software-for-online-banking-protection.pdf
     
  8. waking

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    "Somewhat obsolete" indeed. In the interests of fairness and full disclosure,
    it should be noted that those tests were done 2 years ago.

    https://avlab.pl/en/test-of-software-for-online-banking-protection/

    WD/MD development has not been stagnant in the intervening two years. While not
    the same battery of tests specific to online banking, the more recent results
    from other testing done by AVLab shows fairly comparable performance with other
    security products.

    https://avlab.pl/en/

    Recent results - May 2021

    https://avlab.pl/en/recent-results/

    https://avlab.pl/en/we-check-a-diverse-protection-of-software-to-secure-computers/
     
  9. Bunkhouse Buck

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    Looks like we are back to bashing WD. The problem is, the tests that I use (and my own) reveal that it is as effective as any of the others and because it is built into the OS, there are efficiencies that are not present with a third party product.

    I use it on five computers and never a problem and often risky sites are visited.
     
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  11. Nightwalker

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    I believe the biggest reason for this type of behavior is a way to rationalize the choice of whether to buy or install a third-party security solution, it's a mindset somewhat similar to fanboy behavior (Apple vs. Android, Playstation vs. Xbox, Windows x Linux).

    This type of behavior is not seen in relation to other products (proved inferior by several tests) because only Microsoft Defender is the standard solution, it is the product that needs to be inferior to justify the paranoia and the hobbyist behavior of the security combo enthusiast (firewall + HIPS + antikeylogger + sandbox + VPN and so on).
     
  12. Rasheed187

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    But my point is that you shouldn't need to rely on SmartScreen if WD already declared the file as clean.

    To clarify, I believe they simply used a simulator to test all of this, and as we all know, once most AV's allow some file to run, they can do almost everything, especially because Win Defender doesn't have a locally based behavior blocker.
     
  13. DeRodeKater

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    Running Defender now for half a year or so on several machines and it's solid. No nags or other disturbing crap you get with other AVs.
     
  14. Bunkhouse Buck

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    100% in agreement. There are dozens of nags in all of them except WD. And the tests show it is as good (or better) than many of them.
     
  15. Rasheed187

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    That's exactly the reason why I'm sticking with Win Defender, because I just know that other free AV's are going to get on my nerves and I don't even trust them. BTW, I thought this was an interesting article, but I would like to see Win Defender to get more of the ATP features, would be cool for power users.

    https://www.zdnet.com/article/top-w...se-are-the-threats-security-hasnt-yet-solved/
     
  16. Osaban

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    It'll get even worse in terms of bashing, once the consortium (norton/avira/avast) will consolidate. I'm also quite happy about MS Defender, it really feels like set it and forget it, although as I have often stated, the malware threat is definitely grossly exaggerated. No more money for AVs...
     
  17. Bunkhouse Buck

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    100% correct. Paying for AVs is like putting your money in the stove.
     
  18. Rasheed187

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    On the other hand, today Win Defender did annoy me once again. I deleted lots of apps and then I went to the recyle bin to get an overview of all deleted files, and guess what, WD was scanning those files for no good reason! Causing the icons to load very slowly. So perhaps I should switch to some other free AV, but which one that is the question, because I just know that bloated AV's like Avast and Avira will annoy the hell out of me. Perhaps I can try Bitdefender Free or Panda Free.
     
  19. Minimalist

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    Yes, that's a known "problem" with MD. I hope that they implement some better caching in future versions.
     
  20. Rasheed187

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    It's freaking ridiculous, you shouldn't scan files over and over again. BTW, today I decided to give ConfigureDefender a try, it's not that good looking but still a pretty good tool and I decided to enable PUA detection and all of a sudden Win Defender decided to remove YTD Video Downloader, very annoying but luckily it gave an option to restore it. And somehow it also keeps detecting SpyShelter's Security Test Tool, so seems like I need to exclude it, it's getting on my nerves.

    https://www.softpedia.com/get/PORTABLE-SOFTWARE/System/System-Enhancements/ConfigureDefender.shtml
    https://www.spyshelter.com/security-test-tool/
     
  21. wat0114

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    You could add the Recycle Bin to Exclusions.
     
  22. Minimalist

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    It looks like Dan will release new app to control MD. IT looks good IMO. You can check it out here: https://malwaretips.com/threads/defenderui.109495/
     
  23. Rasheed187

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    Good point, thanks will try this.

    Yes I just saw it, it's basically a better looking version of ConfigureDefender, pretty cool. And I totally forgot that you could harden Windows security with these extra settings, very weird that this stuff is not clearly visible in Win 10 and 11.
     
  24. wat0114

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    Thanks for this. It does look great. As mentioned at MT forum, it is a real-time GUI, so there will be some, even if just a little, performance impact. Configure_Defender, however, is portable, so zero impact on performance. Either choice, depending on what the user wants, will be excellent.
     
  25. imdb

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    i'd go with c_d. for my money, it's much more robust. and as you noted, its being portable makes it the better of the two for me.
     
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