Now that is one excellent and constructive post and made for good reading. Like yourself I'm becoming a bit worried about ESETs' performance of late as NOD32 does seem to be missing things that really should set the alarm bells ringing. I've subscribed to NOD32 for the last 3 years and apart from one Vundo infection it missed I've been happy with it. However I do feel that people complaining about the performance of NOD32 should read around other AV company forums before ditching it. I've been considering moving over to KAV but after reading their forums it seems pretty much the same as here, missed positive files etc. As you say Chappy "it looks like the bad guys are winning the race". The problem is that the bad guys "staff" is far bigger than the good guys staff. Ok there is kudos among virus authors to beat others at coding new viruses, new variants etc. but they probably work better together than the major AV companies where the kudos is based on big bucks and the competition to detect a new virus before a competitor does.