WIll you stay with Windows in 2020

Discussion in 'polls' started by emmjay, Feb 4, 2018.

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W7 will be eol, Jan 2020. What option will you choose?

  1. Stay with W7

    13 vote(s)
    14.1%
  2. Move to W8.1

    7 vote(s)
    7.6%
  3. Move to W10

    29 vote(s)
    31.5%
  4. Move to Apple

    7 vote(s)
    7.6%
  5. Move to Chromebook

    1 vote(s)
    1.1%
  6. Move to Linux

    27 vote(s)
    29.3%
  7. Move to Android

    1 vote(s)
    1.1%
  8. Other

    7 vote(s)
    7.6%
  1. RockLobster

    RockLobster Registered Member

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    Well they say a glass of red wine a day is good for your heart and I am more than willing to believe that.:)
     
  2. xxJackxx

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    Haven't used Windows 7 in at least 5 years. Already on Windows 10. I wouldn't switch to Linux if is was free. Wait, what?
     
  3. emmjay

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    Why so much disdain for Linux?
     
  4. Mrkvonic

    Mrkvonic Linux Systems Expert

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    Disdain is free, ha ha.
    Mrk
     
  5. xxJackxx

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    We've got a Linux web server at work. About a month ago the MySQL database started crashing. 3 of us can't figure out why. We have restored a backup to before the issues started about 20 times now and it crashes every time we touch it. It worked for a year and a half prior. No updates had been applied in the time frame during which it started doing this. I've never had such torment from a Windows server.

    LOL
     
  6. reasonablePrivacy

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    This is only one issue. I bet somebody had reverse experiences: something crashed on Windows, but it was rock solid on Gnu/Linux.
     
  7. Stefan Froberg

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    You absolute sure that the problem was not in the MySQL itself ?
    https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/crashing.html
     
  8. xxJackxx

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    It's the only issue I took the time to mention and the one giving me the most trouble right now. I've been running Linux in VMs for years and at some point every one of them fails to reboot after updates at some point. To each his own, but I'm not a fan. I wanted to like it but I can't do it.

    It likely is but 3 of us have been looking at this for 5 weeks and can't find a fix. At this point even the simple action of creating a database crashes it (sometimes). The only way to get it running again is to restore a backup.
     
  9. reasonablePrivacy

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    Reliability of upgrade process varies greatly between distributions. It varies also depending on what you have installed. At least I have that experience with Debian. On production server machines it is best to do minimal install and do not install desktop environment, X11, Wayland and all the desktop stuff. Don't install 3rd party repositories either.

    Maybe it is hardware error related to HDD or SSD?
     
  10. Stefan Froberg

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    By any happenstance...were those distros using perhaps systemd...?
     
  11. reasonablePrivacy

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    Unfortunately all major distros use systemd nowadays. I don't like systemd, but:
    1. I would not encourage distribution without systemd for somebody non-experienced with Gnu/Linux internals.
    2. some upgrade issues were present in Gnu/Linux distributions before systemd - most of them related to 3rd party repositories, so just don't install them.
     
  12. xxJackxx

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    I've tried various distributions over the years. Ubuntu seems to hold out the longest. However it was not compatible with the server we are running. It has CentOS 7 on it. We tested the hard drive and the RAM. They passed the tests we did.

    I assume that since this was a Windows 7 poll we probably shouldn't drag this too much farther off topic. :(
     
  13. pandlouk

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    Already moved to Linux. Only one of my systems is still on windows 7 and everything else runs debian 9.4 (xfce).
     
  14. Stefan Froberg

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    Yeah, and the systemd is a classic example of herd mentality without technical merit. :(

    When it was first introduced in around 2012 and I saw the list of dependencies it needed and the
    stuff that it wanted to handle, all running in PID 1, I thinked to myself: "This s*it is going to hit hard to the fan someday"

    Init should be as simple as possible with it's only job of being boot the system. That's all.
    It should not try to assimilate other traditional Unix/Linux tools and services, latest being the f*rigging mount command. :eek:
    All that code...running in PID 1... :thumbd:
    Lennard probably slept in the class when they taught KISS.

    So just because "everyone" uses it it does not mean it's superior or even great solution (and solution to what exactly?)
     
  15. Osaban

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    Windows 10 from the beginning, very happy with it.
     
  16. camelia

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    Have 3 Pc

    1 Win 10
    2 Win 7
    3 Lubuntu latest

    I love Win 8.1 soooooooooooo I will stay there after W7 eol.
    because I am on macOS High Sierra, Low Sierra and El Capitan (3 Mbp's)

    I hate with passion W10 but I have not choice at this moment and I have a free license :cool:
     
  17. reasonablePrivacy

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    Recently I reinstalled everything on my laptop and erased everything I had on my HDD. Testing HDD is a bit tricky. My recent experiences:
    1. step - I have done quick S.M.A.R.T. test - everything was fine according to results.
    2. I have read all content of HDD using dd. All 500 GB. There were errors encountered - bad sectors.
    3. I have overwritten everything on that HDD. 500 GB. Reallocation kicked-in. Bad sectors discovered in previous step were reallocated.
    4. quick smart test - everything was fine - at least according to HDD.
    5. Extended smart test that took 135 minutes. HDD discovered more bad sectors.
    6. I have written 500 GB to the HDD again - reallocation have kicked-in again. All discovered bad sectors were reallocated.
    7. Quick S.M.A.R.T. test - everything ok.

    At this point I assumed that everything is ok, but I not tested it so I don't know for sure.
     
    Last edited: Jul 29, 2018
  18. lolnothankyou

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    I will probably still use Windows XP SP3 and Windows 7 SP1.

    I have been using Windows XP SP3 without support since 2014. So far so good.
     
  19. MisterB

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    In 2020, I will be doing what I'm doing now, using multiple devices with multiple OSes which include Windows Xp, 7, 8.1 and 10, multiple varieties of Linux in different contexts, Android, and even Ios and OS X on occasion. Second hand hardware that is still quite powerful is cheap these days and I take advantage of that. Whatever OS comes licensed to the machine stays on it and I usually add a second and 3rd option. I recently set up on extreme multiboot system just for testing OSes in anticipation of 2020. It has Windows 7-10 on the Windows side and Mint Sylvia and Tara, Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04, Suse, CentOS and Debian on the Linux side. Testing them all on the same hardware made some things really clear. No matter what version of Linux I'm using, the resources required by the OS are much less then Windows, in some cases far far less, which leaves much more of the CPU, memory, and storage for what I'm doing, not maintaining the OS. All of the Linux systems are on 10gb partitions and use around 60% of it with browsers and a bit of additional software installed. It's pretty hard to make Windows work with less than 32GB of disk space and all of the Windows partitions are 32Gb with the same 60% or so of it used. Most of the Linux distros use around 800mb of ram to run, with 1.2 to 1.4gb required just to get Windows up and running. Ubuntu gets close to Windows at around 1100mb but Suse Plasma uses less than 500mb.

    For most of what I'm doing, Linux is, obviously, the best choice in both terms of security and efficiency. I found I quite like Windows 8.1. It is fast and doesn't have the bad habit of sucking up bandwidth that Windows 10 has. I have no intention of replacing Windows 7 with either. Whatever I have running Windows Xp or 7 will continue to use them. Not having to fuss about updates is kind of nice in a way. The useful life of Windows 7 will probably extend to at least 2025 and maybe longer. Xp has the problem of being a 32 bit relic in a 64 bit world and Windows 7 won't suffer from that.

    One other thing I found is that modern OSes, both Linux and Windows are far more portable than older versions. I upgraded to an SSD on my multiboot monster and put the old hard drive into another machine as a second drive. They were both UEFI so I tried booting the disk and every single Linux distro booted with hardly a blink on different hardware a generation newer. Windows booted too with Windows 10 being the most portable. The new machine has the Windows 10 upgrade license and Windows 10 activated automatically with minimal fuss and time to install drivers. Windows 7 and 8.1 both took some time and a couple of reboots to sort out drivers and neither activated due to licensing restrictions. That portability really suits me because I'm really into my computing not being tied to any specific piece of hardware. I find hardware tied software licensing to be restrictive and archaic. A 10gb partition can be imaged and cloned in less than a minute on an SSD. Upgrading the hardware without having to worry about the software is a great thing, portability rocks.

    So logic and common sense are moving me bit by bit into Linux but I still have a Windows habit that is hard to break, kind of like giving up any bad habit and I have a few software licenses that require it and require it to be eternally installed on the same machine. With Linux, you not only get an efficient and scalable OS, you also get licensing that is user and business friendly and 100% portable.
     
  20. EASTER

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    I must say before or by 2020 I will probably get my very first taste & try with Windows 7. So jealous of all you Win 7 users.

    Skipped 7 to go from XP straight to 8 then 8.1 and loving everyday of it. Stable as a rock and no spy channels from it's distributor.
     
  21. emmjay

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    Microsoft expects to make a lot of money in 2020 ...

    https://www.ghacks.net/2018/08/05/microsoft-expects-to-make-a-lot-of-money-in-2020/
     
  22. The Hammer

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    Moved to Mac OS already.
     
  23. Anony2999

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    I will buy a Purism laptop that runs Coreboot BIOS and Linux together in the near future since Microsoft is enforcing aggressive upgrade tactics, also for the better privacy I can get from a Purism laptop
     
  24. EASTER

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    8.1 is perfect AS-IS and Linux Mint is already waiting in the wings.

    Local PC shop can build-to-fashion a higher powered unit(s) whereby 8.1 will run even better. Microsoft will go belly up because of their nonsense because they're stagnant and stuck in fast forward with the policy their new release 10 will be all the rave in a few years more. Not happening but the shock of market drop and mass exodus will happen.
     
  25. Chuck57

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    Yep, sticking with 8.1. If this laptop, now 3 yrs old breaks down, I'll have it fixed and keep having it fixed until they can't fix it any more. Windows 8.1 is rock solid reliable, plenty fast, handles my old software and, with Comodo Firewall set up properly, I don't worry about a security failure. I don't know when 8.1 reaches its end of life, and don't care. As long as the software I use daily works, what else do I need?
     
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