Why so difficult to make boot cd with TI 11 disk image ???

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  1. rc5115

    rc5115 Registered Member

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    Why so difficult to make boot cd with TI 11 disk imageo_O??

    Here is what I am trying to do, and I can easily do this with Norton Ghost.

    On one of my PC's, I formatted the hard drive, re-installed Windows, device drivers, and all the Windows updates. Want to keep a clean Wndows installation on CD. The image file is about 1.6 gb, after all the Windows updates (1.3 gb without any updates). This way, if I have a crash, Windows is easy to load via the Ghost image

    Booted using my Norton Ghost cd, made a image of this hard drive and copied this image to another hard drive in this PC. This process takes less than 10 minutes.

    Using Nero burning software to make a bootable CD, copied the Ghost.exe file along with the Ghost image file, and then Nero asks for a boot disk, such as a Windows 98 boot disk, then makes the CD bootable.

    Then all I have to do is boot to the CD, type in ghost.exe, and I can copy the image from the cd to the hard drive. This process with a 1.6 gb file takes about 12 minutes.

    Why is it so much more difficult with TI 11? Surely TI can figure out how to duplicate the less time/software intensive process I use with Norton Ghost.

    regards...

    RC
     
  2. DwnNdrty

    DwnNdrty Registered Member

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    With True Image, what you want to do is one of the features - to include the Image along with the bootable Rescue Media files. In fact the process will span any number of DVDs to accommodate the size of the Image. However, if the Image size requires more than 3 dvd discs, this method is not recommended because the disc swaps become what seems like an unending process.
     
  3. seekforever

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    I never do it and I don't have TI11 but I thought all you have to do is while in the backup wizard Options screen select the add Media Components and tick the box for the TI Full version to be placed on the disk. This should, AFAIK, make the DVD bootable.
     
  4. rc5115

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    One thing I would like to clear up is that when I am creating the disk image with Norton, am doing all this on start-up when the PC boots to the bootable cd or floppy disk.

    Correct me if I am wrong, that is what TI 11 cannot do.

    And if I do stand to be corrected, then please tell me a procedure as quick as using Norton Ghost, as mentioned at the beginning of this thread.

    regards...

    RC
     
  5. jaycee

    jaycee Registered Member

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    Well...

    first problem with ghost : you need DOS drivers for all hardware : SATA, SCSI, Network... not easy nowadays!

    Acronis can backup "Live" from within Windows, or you can boot on Acronis Rescue MEdia and backup to disk, network, FTP directly.
    Acronis manages all drivers updates to Rescue CD, and it is mostly just boot and enjoy...

    Is that what you were asking for?
     
  6. DwnNdrty

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    This is where the feature you're looking for can be found in Version 10, it may be in a different location in Version 11, but try here anyway:
    Tools>Options>Default Backup Options>Media Components then click the Advanced tab.
     
  7. rc5115

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    Thanks for your reply. Guess I need to clarify what I am asking.

    What I am able to do with GHOST is:

    Make an image of PC #1 hard drive with Windows XP, device drivers, and all updates, no other software installed (about 1.6 gigs).

    Using GHOST make the image to another hard drive on PC #2, a second networked PC. On this second PC, I use NERO to make a bootable DVD, and use NERO to also add the drive image file, and the ghost.exe file. This process takes about 10 minutes.

    Now I have a bootable DVD that I can put in the DVD drive in PC #1 if Windows has become corrupted. At this point the Ghost CD is not needed because the restore can be made by booting to this DVD, typing in "ghost.exe", and from the program menu, copy the image to this hard drive, reboot the PC and I am back in business.

    In a nutshell, what I am asking is can I just copy the TI exe file along with the TI image file created, use NERO to create a bootable CD, i.e the same process I described with using Norton Ghost?

    Well, I think that is what I plan to do, will get back to you with the results.

    Am looking for any easier process that Bart PE ,etc

    regards...

    RC
     
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  8. jaycee

    jaycee Registered Member

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    As DwnNdrty wrote just above, you can directly make bootable backups on DVD with Acronis inside in the backup process.

    no need to add a win98 floppy, and ghost.exe and whatsoever.

    Isn't that good?
    Else Acronis CD is directly bootable from CD, you can make a USB key or HDD bootable, boot on RIS also... just out of the box!
     
  9. shieber

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    The Ghost thing sounds more complex, but what's worse, when you buy it you give money to the dreaded Symantec, the ubermarketer of utility software. Ghost was another one of those things Symantec bought, wrung the life out of, then junked up. Sadly, it looks like Arcronis might be going the same way with ATI (witness the diff in reliability between ATI10 and ATI11 for so many users).

    And check out the Symantec forums on Ghost, oh wait, that's right, Symantec took them down -- appears it would rather avoid criticism and complaints than get help to users.
     
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    DwnNdrty Registered Member

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    Thank you, jaycee. I thought that somehow I was totally misunderstanding what rc5115 wanted to do.
     
  11. rc5115

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    jaycee,

    So you are saying that I can take my PC after erasing the hard drive, doing a clean installation of Windows, shut down the PC then......

    turn it back on then boot to the TI 11 DVD, make an image of the hard drive, and then write the image to a DVD (about 1.6 gb) and TI 11 has the option to make a bootable DVD with this image file? All this done without rebooting any?

    Then I can use this TI 11 "recovery image" DVD to boot to, install the image over the existing partition


    DwnNdrty
    Sorry, might not have explained it properly


    shieber
    Actually this process takes only about 15-20 minutes to complete, then when I need when using this image file to install on the hard drive, only takes about 20 minutes reading directly from the DVD disc.

    regards...

    RC
     
  12. DwnNdrty

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    The feature to include the Image with the bootable DVD can only be easily done from the installed software. For some reason if you already have the bootable dvd made, you cannot include the Image afterwards, without jumping through a few hoops involving the use of additional software like WinIso.
     
  13. rc5115

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    DwnNdrty,

    Thats what I had thought, TI 11 has to be installed and you have to be working from within the Windows enviroment.

    Here is the step by step I use with Ghost 3.0.

    1. Boot PC to Ghost via bootable floppy disk or CD created by GHOST.
    2. Use GHOST to create image.
    3. Save image to second hard drive on same PC.
    4. Boot to Windows
    5. Use NERO buring software that came with DVD recorder to copy image file, copy ghost executable file, and image file to blank DVD/R. Nero also will make DVD/R bootable all in one step. (NERO will ask for a floppy disk or a CDR that has the bootable system file son it. I use the old WIndows 98 boot floppy disk)

    This process takes about 20 minutes.......

    Now you have a bootable DVD that allows the image file to be re-installed when DVD is put in drive at start-up.

    A LOT simpler that the Bart PE cd I believe.

    Am going to try this same process with TI 11 and see what happens......will report back on this.

    regards...

    RC
     
  14. rc5115

    rc5115 Registered Member

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    Have an update to my test am doing with trueimag.exe and NERO, using Nero to create a bootable DVD with a TI11 image.

    That did not work because the TI executable file will not work on a DOS boot. Should have known......

    Am going to try a couple more options......will post the results once completed.

    regards...

    RC
     
  15. MrMorse

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    DOS? What do you want with DOS?
    Do you have the desire to recognize USB, FireWire, SATA or eSATA under DOS?
    Did you have expected that trueimage.exe runs under DOS?
    o_O :rolleyes:
     
  16. rc5115

    rc5115 Registered Member

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    Or course :D

    Let me rephrase the DOS boot slang...... NON Windows boot; clean boot etc.

    What do you think the rescue disks created with TI does.....o_O? sure not booting to Windows......:rolleyes: :shifty:

    RC
     
  17. MrMorse

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    It is LINUX.

    I pursue this thread the whole time.

    Your topic of this thread is "Why so difficult to make boot cd with TI 11 disk image".

    - install Ti under Win
    - call the option to create the image as an ISO
    - burn ISO to CD
    - finish.

    If this is difficult for you please go to the PC dealer of your trust. He does it.
     
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