Why does F Secure need a spyware ?

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  1. hokhost

    hokhost Registered Member

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    When I try F secure antivirus 2004, it also installs a software called backweb.
    Why ? I really don't like that ...

    I go uninstall it and try AVK 2004 instead.

    Thx for your help.
     
  2. kloshar

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    It is automaticly downloading new database.
     
  3. hokhost

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    True, I read that on their website ... first time I see that an antivirus vendor needs a third party to take care of the auto update.
    And as the name is scary "Backweb", I will look elsewhere for antivirus security.

    Thanks.
     
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    Then "HijackThis" should be a strict ban in your computer as its more scary in terms of name.
    F-secure is not a bad AV but yes :) you can always look for what you think will serve you best

    take care
     
  5. Madsen DK

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    Backweb as used by F-Secure is not spyware IMO.
    Its stricktly used for the download of defs.
    Owning a gun do not make you a killer either ;)
     
  6. hokhost

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    Hehe, but here, someone I didn't know used the gun every week ... if it was someone I trusted there would be no problem, even a machine gun would be cool :)

    I found Nod32 to be great (light on ressource and fast), but it kept asking me if Outlook was my default mail client. And yes, I tried eveything from uninstalling Outllook to unchecking the IMAPI box in the settings.

    I am currently trying Norman and TDS3 for trojans.
     
  7. kloshar

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    You have to teach how to use past simple. :D :D :D
     
  8. hokhost

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    Oups, "done". :oops:
     
  9. kloshar

    kloshar Registered Member

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    But why don't you like F-secure?

    PS: Trust me, I'm bad in English as much as you. :D
     
  10. Smokey

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    In wrong hands Backweb could be dangerous, but in the way F-Secure uses it, it's absolutely no spyware.

    Like you already said, it's strickly used for the update of the virus-database.

    Ciao,

    Smokey
     
  11. kloshar

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    As I know the only f-sec who needs BackWeb for updates is F-secure for Workstation 5.4x. Client security and 2004 has automatic downloading in his own engine.
     
  12. illukka

    illukka Spyware Fighter

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    f-secure still uses (in all versions) backweb technology.

    about f-secure backweb being spyware:
    http://www.f-secure.com/support/technical/av5/support-issue-2003070900.shtml

    if you get a spybot detection on f-secure backweb it is a FALSE POSITIVE... note that ad-aware does not detect it as spyware anymore(because it's not)
     
  13. Smokey

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    Especially for them who still are thinking f-secure backweb-lite contains spyware:


    What is F-Secure BackWeb™?

    With F-Secure BackWeb users can get antivirus database updates and informational content without interrupting their work to wait for files to download from the Web. F-Secure BackWeb downloads files automatically in the background using bandwidth not being used by other Internet applications, so the users can always be sure they will have the latest updates without having to search the Web.

    If the F-Secure BackWeb client is always connected to the Internet, it will automatically receive new antivirus updates within about two hours after they have been published by F-Secure. Any possible delays will depend on when a connection to the Internet is available.

    F-Secure BackWeb client is used to update either centrally managed or stand-alone F-Secure Anti-Virus 5.x. By default the client also downloads Computer Virus News and F-Secure News. Downloading these can be disabled if so desired.

    F-Secure BackWeb can be installed in Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows NT 4.0, Windows 2000, and Windows XP.

    You may install and use F-Secure BackWeb in conjunction with licensed F-Secure Anti-Virus and security products. F-Secure BackWeb shall be used only for receiving updates and related information on F-Secure's antivirus and security products. F-Secure BackWeb may not be used for any other purpose or service. "BackWeb" is a trademark of BackWeb Technologies.

    NOTE: In order to use F-Secure BackWeb to get antivirus updates, you must have F-Secure Anti-Virus Release 5.00 build 5271 or newer.



    Component of F-Secure BackWeb (IADhide.dll or IADhide3.dll) detected as spyware

    Date July 9, 2003
    Description Some of the spy ware detection softwares (like Ad-aware ) detects a component (IADhide.dll or IADhide3.dll) of F-Secure BackWeb as a suspicious file.

    Product / Version F-Secure Anti-Virus for Workstations (v5.0 or higher)
    F-Secure Personal Edition
    F-Secure Internet Security 2003
    F-Secure Anti-Virus 2003
    F-Secure Backweb (all versions)

    Solution / Workaround

    Some of the spyware detection softwares (like Ad-aware and SpyBot) detects a component (IADhide.dll or IADhide3.dll) of F-Secure BackWeb as a suspicious file. F-Secure BackWeb uses technology licensed from BackWeb Technologies. The component named IADhide.dll or IADhide3.dll is used to suppress certain operations of BackWeb client (such as playing flash messages or connecting the server) when such operations are not desirable. BackWeb Client copies the file to one of several possible directories (temp or tmp directories, 'c:\temp' or the client's version directory).
    According to BackWeb Technologies the component contains no reporting capabilities of any kind and should not be considered spyware. Spyware detection companies have been contacted to remove this component from suspected files.

    F-Secure Corporation considers this as a false alarm by spy ware detection software.

    BackWeb Technologies statement , instructs customers to contact F-Secure to deactivate this dll, which is not possible without uninstalling F-Secure BackWeb. Since F-Secure BackWeb is an important component, we don't recommend customers to uninstalling F-Secure BackWeb.


    End of the explaination about f-secure backweb-lite! ;)

    Those guys and girls who still thinks f-secure BW-Lite contains spyware, I can't help them anymore.

    My advcice to them: uninstall this top-notch, spyware-free Antivirus and replace it with a middle- or low-classified anti-virus product. :rolleyes:

    Good luck! :cool:

    Ciao,

    Smokey
     
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    Excellent Smokey, nuff said.
    This should really explain it all. :) :)
    One karma cookie delivered to you. :D
     
  15. kloshar

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    With F-secure for Workstation you may install an alone program, called BackWeb. You can open it as single program and it doesn't look like a program which need to update F-secure, but a program, who has some other functions, too.

    But F-secure Client Security has his own update engine. There is no single work which mention BackWeb. It is just an automatic update, that is all.

    I hope you understood me.
     
  16. Smokey

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    Thanks!

    I have no birthday, but such presents are always welcome! ;)

    Ciao,

    Smokey
     
  17. StevieV

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    At least you got as far as installing F-secure. Everytime I have tried to install it for a trial I have been unable to re-boot my computer afterwards. Was very careful to uninstall all traces of previous antivirus as well. Thank goodness for Norton Ghost!!
     
  18. hokhost

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    Hi,

    I decided to try F Secure again ... downloaded the trial version, installed it, and now, I don't have any Internet connection at all. Even though I did remove all traces of former AV.

    I must say that with all the firewalls and AV I tried, there must be some leftover parts in the registry that even jv16 cannot get rid of. I will go for a clean format, and I will tell you what I really think of F Secure after that.

    I wanted to install a "KAV" AV:
    - AVP is said to be a memory hog (I only have 256 RAM),
    - AVK is nice and I may end up with it,
    - F Secure ...
    - but I just read that Aladdin antivirus has a KAV motor as well. On virus bulletin, Aladdin results are frightening, something like 9 fails and no pass ... I know, I should not put to much faith in a test, but still ... any input about eSafe4 ?

    Thanks :)
     
  19. kloshar

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    F-secure is the best!
     
  20. Technodrome

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    Aladdin does not offer desktop antivirus solution anymore. Instead they focus on providing content security solutions for corporate customers.

    eSafe4 is a gateway-based antivirus and security solution.



    tECHNODROME
     
  21. hokhost

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    OK thanks :)
     
  22. hokhost

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    OK here it goes about F Secure 2004:
    - looks good,
    - effective,
    - but as I expected, it eats too much ressource for my computer, as much as Norton 2004.

    I will settle on AVK 2004.

    Thank you all.

    ++
     
  23. illukka

    illukka Spyware Fighter

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    see this thread for help on how to configure f-secure..
    most of the time this helps for the resource drain..

    http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=15272
     
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