Why are there so few rollback type softwares?

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  1. ratchet

    ratchet Registered Member

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    Look at the popularity of sandboxing and virtual system type softwares and how they have taken off. Many, if not most are even free. There are many commercial imaging type backup softwares available. It seems to me that you even have to jump through hoops to purchase rollbacks. The EAZ-FIX site is a perfect example, and I can't say I've ever even noticed any offered on sites like MajorGeeks, which posts commercial and free offerings. Also, the few I'm aware of are all commercial softwares. Why so few, are they difficult to build or what? Thank You!
     
  2. Peter2150

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    They aren't the easiest software to build, and the support costs in the home market, are very high, as users don't understand how to use them. Hence the aren't very viable economically.

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  3. farmerlee

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    Imo there are plenty of these rollback type programs.
    Rollback rx, eaz-fix, ayrecovery, radix reload, norton goback, returnil, powershadow, drive vaccine, deepfreeze, firstdefense rescue and comodo diskshield to name a few. I'm sure there are plenty more that i've forgotten about.
     
  4. ratchet

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    Aren't returnil and disdshield virtualizers? Maybe others in your list too.
     
  5. Hugger

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    Pete,
    Any opinions on which of the products are the easiest to use for the cerebrally challenged?
    And which of the companies has really good customer support?
    I'm looking for something to complement Shadow Protect on XP Pro.
    Thanks.
    Hugger
     
  6. Peter2150

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    Hi Hugger

    They are all fairly easy if you are willing to learn. Rollback isn't bad, but everytime, I think great, I run into something with it that just leaves me queasy. I would recommend you look at FDISR-Rescue. For simple rollback purposes, I'd go with it.

    Pete
     
  7. Hairy Coo

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    Ya dont need nothin else-gave away ISRs a while back-just do daily backups(one minute).

    All ISRs are a nuisance to some extent.

    In between times protected by a continuous data backupper
     
  8. farmerlee

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    Yes they are. I wasn't sure exactly what you were referring to but all my listed software have the ability to rollback/revert system changes after a reboot however not all can retain changes after a reboot.
     
  9. Huupi

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    Have yet to meet the nuicance side of these ISR's,for me they're the bread and butter for worryless computing .
     
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    Simple virtualisers like Returnil and Comodo wont have this ability to revert system changes.
     
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  11. farmerlee

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    I agree, ISR software is a godsend for effortless, worryless computing.
     
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    They all are another app to maintain with limitations etc and another load on the computer.

    Had time consuming troubles with one.

    If you are OK with this -fine,but I found them like AVs -hardly ever necessary.
    So if you get a fast imager like SP and even do incrementals-cant really see the point of ISRs,especially if your data is up to date.
    The worst that can then happen is that you may have to reinstall an app which was installed between incrementals.

    edit just experimenting with incrementals every 15 minutes-works fine -you really cant even notice when the are backing up-takes only seconds.
     
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  13. Peter2150

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    Depends. On one of my machines, the primary business machine, I run Continuous Incrementals, and that works great as the machine is rarely rebooted during the day. Reboots aren't the best thing runningn this way.

    On the other hand, my other machine is more the test bed. Always doing installs and reboots. Here FDISR is much more adaptable.

    I use them both and wouldn't be with either.
     
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    Sounds logical for your needs.

    But in my case,what with CDS backup,as I said,extremely fast backups and restores(backups 92 mbps! thanks to RAID 0)cant really see the need-even if the incrementals arent the best to reboot from.
     
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    Arent EAZ, AY, RADIX n DVaccine exactely the same products?
     
  16. farmerlee

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    They're all based on the same program but they're not all exactly the same. Rollback and Eaz-fix are the same software under different names. Ayrecovery is an older version. Drive vaccine is a stripped down version. Radix is sold as a full version and also as various stripped down versions.
     
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    1)start time for the os to load through the drivers of ISR
    2)Lack of disk space on os(system) partition--main reason

    According to me keep keeping eaz-fix installed for 3 days took on 1 gb of free space without any snap shot.

    these software would become famous if they take space from partitions we like instead of system partition.


    3)very fast and incremental imaging solutions like drive snapshot or shadow protect.
     
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    loading time for isr is the major thing ....
    and nuisance it causes with major backup softwares..

    space on windows is not a problem for me now as i removed synchronized option

    All isr are nuisance unless these softwares get away with the loading time problem...

    I would go for drive snapshot , cos i dont do frequent restores
     
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    I have erected an alter to praise FDR-ISR. (original) :D
     
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    I'll be there with you!!
     
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    What's the difference between ERUNT and the ISR's discussed here?
    Aren't these basically similar programs?
    Hugger
     
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    Let us know when is the memorial service:p
     
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    This copy will go with me to MY grave. :D
     
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    Let's assume that I want to back up a Total of 20 GB (= System Files + Personal Data).

    1) How much Time does it take -on Average- to Create a -New- Snapshot with the old FDISR?

    2) How much Time does it take -on Average- to Restore a Snapshot with the old FDISR?
     
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    These are my estimates only.
     
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