Which Disk Defragmenter?

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by Coolio10, Sep 20, 2008.

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  1. Espresso

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    Why? The MFT was in one piece before. The disk was defragged with MSTDefrag. I see no reason why UD2008 was moving stuff around, leaving giant holes without consolidating as it should have done.
     
  2. Long View

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    Thanks - Have downloaded - pretty impressive
     
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    All the same it would be interesting to see what would happen now if you ran UD 2008. The fact that the free version works suggests that there is no fundamental problem with UD. anyway if this had happened to me I would be just to curious to know why and would re-try UD 2008 to see if the same problems occured again.
     
  4. Kargeras

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    Well I find that quite sad, for a software in 2008 to be unable to properly deframent C:\ partition, when it explicitly states that its Complete / NAME algorithm has been designed for just that purpose.

    The online alternative doens't really work on C:\ because of the locked files, the clusters are a total mess before & after, namely 9.75% vs 8.90% fragmented.(screenshots if needed)

    1.Has anyone here managed to defragment C:\ via O&O ? (no matter the method used).

    2.Is there a program capable of doing so offline/online ?

    Thank you,
     
  5. Arup

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    As a ex PD2008 user, I have no such issues here using O&O, in fact I leave monitoring and auto defrag setting on and it does a swell job of defragmenting files on the background when and where its needed eliminating the need for scheduled defrag passes. My disk performance is far better with my dual 500gb SATA and now I will check it on my newly acquired 1TB 10K drive. After format and install of OS, I do a offline defrag and then for my system partition I do a complete/name and for the data partitions I do a compete/modified. After that I leave it on auto defrag and this works out fantastic.

    If you wish to do a different strategy for offline defrag, suggest you check out PD2008 or DK11.
     
  6. RobertSA01

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    PerfectDisk has worked very well for me... when I was using Diskeeper, I would be having to defrag more often.
     
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    Where did you find a 1TB 10K drive? Who makes it?
     
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    ...and don't forget to ask the price!
     
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    I get it, i didn't notice 10k the first time..
    Oh, i forgot ;)
     
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    With UD2008 is it best to Respect the layout.ini, or not? I thought if you're going to start picking what you want placed at the outer edges then I don't see the point in this, but I guess if you weren't selecting files for High performance then I guess I understand the point of respecting it...

    Any thoughts here?

    THANKS

    P.S. Sorry if I'm going off topic here... :(
     
  16. freakish

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    I prefer PerfectDisk. PerfectDisk has the abiltiy to run an automatic defrag everytime your computer is either in screen saver mode or idle.

    The screensaver/idle mode defrag is very convenient. I rarely do manual defrags anymore.

    It's defragging method is also very efficient (More info here).

    If what you want is a free, open source defragger, you might want to try JkDefrag
     
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  17. Arup

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    If you like that, check out O&O, it not only does screensaver mode but has a auto monitoring and defrag, its totally set it and forget, when you add new large fragmented file it automatically defragments in the background. Its set it and forget and you never need to defrag again.
     
  18. DasFox

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    Those Puran options for doing a Defrag are pure foolishness.

    Defragging a drive is HARD on it and it's completely and utterly foolish, and certainly not needed every 24 hours, on every startup, or every week. :thumbd:

    Possbily someone doing something like HEAVY MEDIA work might need to defrag a drive once a week, but the average computer user isn't going to need to defrag a drive for MONTHS!

    Also I have said this before, and it's a FACT so PLEASE go out and do some RESEARCH the info is out there. Performance gains on defraggers is minimal at best, we are only talking milliseconds to a very small few seconds if best, and small percentages, not major leaps and bounds.

    I said this before on an earlier post, as a working PC Tech I have worked on consumer PCs that never had a DEFRAG in the life of the PC, that is 3-5 years without one, and the performance of the PC was just fine, and after doing a defrag the differences were slight, if at all noticeable.

    Windows DK is just fine, there is nothing wrong with it. All the hoopla about Defraggers is just that, nice eye candy and nothing more. I don't know why, but Defraggers seemed to have placed the emphasis on the WORD "PERFORMANCE" and everyone who doesn't know better is sucking it up, thinking this is where to gain performance from, and it's not, it's just one very small place to gain some is all.

    People who are going on all about this type of a discussion need to go out and STUDY and learn about hard drives and file systems and how things work in the computer along with other hardware components to learn some FACTS and TRUTHS here, because people who fall into this type of trap are just computer newbies who don't really know facts.

    Sure it helps to keep files defragged, regularly used files out on the outer edge of the platter, etc... BUT to think this is the END all to performance and to even think that you're really going to get better performance over another, well that's the POINT I'm trying to make. You are seeing better performance, mainly because one app is more crap then the other is all.

    You want to gain real performance? Do you know HOW to use NTFS without having it fragment much in the first place, and how to get things arranged onto the drive properly from the get go on a fresh install? If not then this is what you should be learning, not putting the cart before the horse trying to fix problems with apps that are really useless...

    Oh and if I can boast a little, I have used 8 Generations of Maxtor drives for the past 10 years on all my boxes and I have never had a problem once, ever in 10 years. Now I don't know about you, but 10 years with a PERFECT record of performance, that is what I call one hell of a record just to PROVE to you the BS about all the defrag apps out there, because I've never used them or needed them, or even seen much of any improvements with them when I did try them.

    Don't take this wrong what I'm saying here, I'm just telling you from a professional perspective, and I do know what I'm doing as computer tech, learn how to properly use a drive, partion, install and give the occassional defrag with DK in Windows and you'll be just fine for years to come... :)

    You know the analogy of defraggers and Registry cleaners floating all over the internet that everyone seems to be falling for that is not computer experienced? That both of these programs are needed, and improve system performance.

    In laymen's terms, HOGWASH, Snake Oil salesmen...

    PEACE
     
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  19. Arup

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    8 year old IBM SCSI, one 10K and one 15K still running here. HDD life is also dependant on internal case temp and power supply.

    System file offline defrag makes a difference in load time of OS as well as program load times which depend on system files.
     
  20. Phant0m

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    While I agree that frequently defragging the hard drive is hard on it, .. I surely wouldn't go as far as to saying it's utterly pointless. Once a month(- to 2 months) for on-demand de-fragmenting does help and seen first hand the noticeable performance boots. And since you so eagerly wanting to point out that you an PC tech, I also have something to share ... I'm an PC tech also and I've been faced with large number of computers in my line of work, and running the on-demand de-fragmenter does normally show noticeable performance boosts. Why I say normally because a customer could have de-fragmented the hard-drive (manually or by scheduled Windows defragmentation) short time before bringing it in, or they have third-party defragmenter running and doing it's thing in the background automatically.

    I suggest you take your own advise and research 'Defragmenting' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defragmenting.


    .. Windows DK is fine but certainly not the best, there's better.


    Knocking Registry cleaners now? if you truly believe registry cleaners don't boost system performance under many conditions, then you certainly aren't as knowledgeable as let on to be...
     
  21. NGRhodes

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    I've gotta say my experiences under NORMAL OFFICE USE match that of DasFox, as I outlined before I measured the performance loss and it was unmeasurable as it was below the variance of the results in one months use.

    Conversely I have also had usage patterns that cause massive fragmentation that causes noticable drop in file access performance (P2P downloading and creating large files slowly), so I am aware that there are less common cases where defragmentation is needed.

    Phant0m, how/why do you think cleaning the registry (note not fixing) will boost performance ?
     
  22. Phant0m

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    Yea I can see it being the case under normal office use, but it doesn't really seem DasFox was in reference specifically to 'normal office use' computers.

    As for registry cleaners, the average home user installs and uninstalls software, and as time passes it can lead to some terrible performance degrades. Removing, repairing and optimizing unnecessary or corrupt registry entries recovers system performance, but I'm sure you already aware of this. ;)
     
  23. Long View

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    Defrag - using UD2008 - once the archive/performance has been set up there is relatively little movement - we are talking seconds to one or two minutes - so defraging need not be hard on the drives

    Reg cleaners/optimisers. On all the newly set up pcs I have noticed that reboot times are 8 to 10 seconds quicker after running windows care v2 and that one or two of my programs open a second or two more quickly. Nothing earth shattering but measurable all the same.
     
  24. SKA

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    Dasfox

    Please do post links/reference sites on NTFS/disk optimising tips which you refer to above ?

    I really appreciate your guidance/links - thanks !

    SKA
     
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