What Would Replace Sandboxie?

Discussion in 'sandboxing & virtualization' started by Joxx, May 16, 2019.

  1. Deletedmessiah

    Deletedmessiah Registered Member

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    Aside from ReHIPS, any other alternatives that has mechanism which doesn't break so often with Windows updates?
     
  2. shmu26

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    If people are looking for a second Sandboxie as an alternative, they need to realize that there is no other Sandboxie. It's one of a kind. You would have heard about the alternative already, if it existed.
    There are other ways, different ways, to attain a high level of PC security.
     
  3. Deletedmessiah

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    I read somewhere Comodo's sandbox uses some safer method to sandbox while Sandboxie uses unsafe one. But Comodo Firewall is known to break lot more than Sandboxie. But that maybe due to other components in Firewall and/or Comodo devs doing poor job at it. My question is, even if Sandboxie was built with this safe method, would it still have this issue with newer Windows releases? Sorry if it sounds ignorant.
     
  4. imdb

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    like @shmu26 said, it's futile to look for a sbie replacement which uses the same sandboxing mechanism , cause as @guest pointed out earlier the sbie sandboxing mechanism, the low level kernel hooking is a pre-w10 era approach and solution. things have changed with the arrival of w10 and its native sandboxing mechanism. now, one might choose to replace sbie with either one of the following: sd, rehips or vm, all of which have their pros and cons. for my money, vm is the best of the three but it's all up to one's needs.
     
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  5. shmu26

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    We could break SBIE down into the two kinds of protection it offers:
    1 Protect an exploited program (browser, office application, etc) from harming the system.
    2 Stop malicious downloads from harming the system.

    There are other ways to achieve these two kinds of protections. SBIE is brilliant and unique and unforgettable, but it is not the only solution to the riddle of security.
     
  6. Peter2150

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    True, but do any of them clean up after you close the program?
     
  7. Deletedmessiah

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    No I already got those points. I only want to know, would it still break in newer Windows versions if it was designed with that safer method years ago? Just asking for knowledge. I don't like to sandbox browsers. If I want to sandbox other apps, I would use ReHIPS demo which works fine with non-browsers.
     
  8. shmu26

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    If I remember right, the next version of ReHIPS will allow "clean up" of isolated environments. No ETA yet.
     
  9. Beyonder

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    If Sandboxie didn't break so often, it would be my go to security program for life. Now, however, it's just more convenient to use Windows Sandbox or Application Guard since those are tightly connected with Windows 10 and therefore always work.

    I found out the hard way that built-in features work better than third party solutions when BestCrypt was shattered by a Windows 10 update. Didn't lose anything important that day, but reinstalling still sucked.
     
  10. guest

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    Not automatically, you have 2-3 clicks to do.
    But in all sandboxes/VMs, what is isolated stay isolated, even if not cleaned up.

    @Beyonder OS built-in mechanism most of the time, works better. Problem is that MS is so bad to make them convenient.
     
  11. shmu26

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    So you probably like Hard_Configurator (SRP rules) and ConfigureDefender (ASR rules)?
     
  12. Beyonder

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    Using SSRP, yup.
     
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    For blocking exploits I would probably rely on anti-executable, but Sandboxie is a fail safe solution for me, AE can always be bypassed. And I also use it to quickly check out apps without having to run a virtual machine or roll-back solution. There isn't any other solution on the market that offers this.
     
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    I knew Sophos was going to kill it. When I first heard that sandboxie was bought by sophos...I KNEW they were going to kill it to eliminate competition. Avast is probably going to do that to AVG at some point and avast might also re-brand ccleaner and/or force you to have avast to be able to have a system cleaner.
     
  16. GrDukeMalden

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    I used sandboxie to be able to wipe out all of my browsing data. I used to use it for all of my programs. I could easily just wipe out all of the changes anything ever made while I was using it if I didn't want to use that program anymore.
     
  17. guest

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    Whatever it kill it or not, it isnt a big deal, you have replacements or tighter mechanisms.

    This is more a side benefit than real purpose of Sandboxie.
    Using cleaners or light virtualization softs like Shadow Defender would achieve same results (sure you have to click more).
     
  18. GrDukeMalden

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    Sometimes I want to keep things that I end up downloading though. That's a bit more convoluted and confusing to do that with a program like shadow defender....unless they changed it since the last time I fiddled with it.
     
  19. Azure Phoenix

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    Use commit function or create a dedicated folder for downloads you want to keep and make exclusion for it on Shadow Defender.
     
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    http://www.shadowdefender.com/help.html
     
  21. GrDukeMalden

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    Is there a lifetime license available? DON'T ANSWER THAT! I got an answer to that question after checking out their website. (Yes)
     
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  22. Peter2150

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    You can't purchase anything right now
     
  23. Mr.X

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    Seriously? Why.

    At this moment I'm on the secure.avangate.com payment webpage (for Shadow Defender).
     
  24. stapp

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    I think Peter may have thought you were talking about Sandboxie.
     
  25. Peter2150

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    Oops: Stapp is correct. SD licenses are lifetime
     
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