What happened to Wilders Security?

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  1. Triple Helix

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    Very long time no see Buddy and hope your doing well!

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  2. Hadron

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    I've never understood why so many threads and posts on this forum just post links to other sites.
    What's the point of that?
     
  3. Cudni

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    Every link has potential to open up a discussion. I quickly scan, titles, if anything is of particular interest. It is curated news in my opinion and my thanks to all the contributers for their time and effort
     
  4. pegas

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    ... and that's what Wilders is now. A very good information hub. I like that part but unfortunately Wilders is falling down on everything else that used to make it one of the best security forums.
     
  5. stapp

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    A lot of software devs from different companies that used to be around have gone now from here and other forums, as most have been absorbed by just one or two companies.

    The internet today seems mainly composed of AI and social media with privacy issues and advertising intrusion following close behind. We do our best between us all to keep things going in a changing world. We cannot turn back time.

    Any configuration help with machines and software issues are usually answered by members who are always keen to help, that has not changed.
     
  6. pegas

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    Yes, I know that it's not Wilders fault and I wasn't complaining I just simply said how it is.
     
  7. xxJackxx

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    I was going to say the same. It's been years.... :)
     
  8. blacknight

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    I definitely agree.
     
  9. EASTER

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    One thing that remains a constant and is very helpful are the updates and new releases of various software. Some names and their projects have been around since XP days and improved every year. I for one certainly wouldn't be able to note new changes if not for the sharp keen members/staff that seem have a wire directly when their server issues a NEW release. For that i'm very grateful. No way i could keep up with them because many i don't use or open on a regular basis, and oftentimes can go months before realizing it simply by seeing it posted here first. :thumb:
     
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  10. T-RHex

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    I've learned so much from this forum; it's always been my go-to site for tech news (especially security related) and insight -- I just don't post much (I never think I have anything to contribute). I appreciate not only the news links posted by mods but the little snippets they include from the articles which help me determine if an article is worth reading or not, and sometimes just the snippet is enough for me.

    I think there are a few issues regarding the activity of the forum, one being that forums are slowly dying out as a medium. So much of today's now generation wants real-time chat service (discord, facebook) and don't have the patience or interest in stodgy old forums (I've seen it happen).

    As others have said, maybe DIY security is not what it once was; I know I don't have the same interest in customizing my computer (hardware or software) that I once had; I've gone from multi-layer security setup using discrete components (firewall, HIPS, AV, spyware plugins, etc. etc.) to Windows firewall and an AV/AM solution that I tinker with very little. So, personally, I care less for A vs B comparisons than I used to, as I spend less time customizing my security and more time just doing other things (even non-computer-related!). Now, I just like to keep apprised of new security topics, not old arguments.

    But mostly I think there's a disconnect between what (some?) forum users are expecting, and what mods are offering. Unfortunately, it's their forum and we're just guests, subject to their terms. It they're sticking to those terms in spite of feedback and possibly declining membership, either they know something we don't, or they're fine with following their own agenda.

    Like anything else, it'll never go back to what it was (sadly), as people get older, lose interest (so many other things to be interested in!), pass on (as some long term members have done), or find other communities; and, new generations have other priorities. But, we can make the most of what we've got!

    (@blacknight -- was that the Outpost or maybe Kerio forum from way back?? I recall you from somewhere but it's been a long time!)
     
  11. Bertazzoni

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    :thumb::thumb:
     
  12. n8chavez

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    Accommodating? When there are certain, viable topics you dare not bring up (A vs B), how is that accommodating? There is a reason why those topics have validity. Without those we end up having endless threads all pertaining to a singular topic that no one will ever be able to read to get the help they need. Those threads, which allow conversation and ideas to grow, is not allowed here. That is why Wilders is dying. I don't see that as accommodating as much as stifling. Other forums allow this, other forums get the users. It's not a hard equation to figure out.
     
  13. XIII

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    Indeed. Don’t we have RSS feeds for that?
     
  14. ProTruckDriver

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    Excellent, My thoughts exactly. :thumb::)
     
  15. NICK ADSL UK

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    Every forum out there has Terms of Service and Rules policies, plus a Privacy Policy. In that regard, Wilders is no different than anyone else, yet we often wonder if members do read those policies before posting. Our Posting Policy Statement - Antivirus Software has been in place since July 2007. Further clarifications to this policy have been posted:

    Sep 2007: https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/f-secure-f-prot-feedback-comments.185353/#post-1075796
    Feb 2008: https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/avast.200089/#post-1181007
    May 2010: https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/mamutu-vs-prevx-safeonline.272494/#post-1677330

    Those have been our guidelines for a very long time, and we do allow intelligent discussions about products. What we don't want, and will never allow, is the back & forth of mindless discussions, especially attacking other members for their AV choices. We close those threads to send that message. Some get it, and some don't. That's the nature of the Internet.

    Comments on this thread makes it seem that we're closing A vs B threads all the time. Looking at the Other Anti-virus Software sub-forum: the last A vs B thread closed was on Mar 7, 2022, the next one was on Nov 25, 2021. Is that excessive? We don't see it that way.

    Even looking at the Other Anti-Malware Software sub-forum, where members like to sneak in A vs B Anti-virus threads, going back 10 pages to Oct 2018, there's not a single A vs B thread closure.

    Again, we allow intelligent discussions on all products, not just Anti-virus, from all members, and given our handling of past threads, we don't see the reason to get rid of our policy statement regarding anti-virus software discussions.


    We are well aware of the decline in forum participation during the past 5 years, especially during Covid-19. Since Wilders became a forum 21 years ago, there are many members that have left the industry, and many computer security companies are no longer here. Both computer software and hardware have had radical changes over the same period, achieving better results for customers, without encountering past problems. Smartphones have supplanted PCs for younger generations, and with newer models coming out almost every year, the chances of finding issues are slim to none. Attacks have shifted to corporations, where the money is at, via ransomware. All of the above does not mean that our forum can't get better, and we try every day to give a pleasant experience to all who visit our forum. When suggestions are made, we need to weigh the pros and cons, taking into consideration all the things that happen behind the curtain that members never see, before we make changes. Wilders might be conservative in implementing reforms, yet we are steady. We thank you for any suggestions that are made, and we are looking into some of them.
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    there's nothing i need to add as JR's explanation is spot on
     
  16. Chuck57

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    I've been a member here since 2002. The forum is 'slower' now than in past years, but it's still the very first place I check each day when I log onto the Internet. I'm not a heavy poster now, and in fact never have been. I think a lot more of us old timers (members and age wise) still check each day, or maybe weekly, than post. Wilders is a great place, and I like not having to wade through a long string of posts or topics to find relevant information.
     
  17. blacknight

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    No, I never was in those forums. and anyway blacknight is my nickname only in Wilders.
     
  18. Rasheed187

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    Exactly, I have never understood why people are bothered by this, the whole point is to discuss about interesting news mostly related to software and IT security. Without people like Mood and others this forum would already be dead.

    Exactly, there isn't anything wrong with this forum, but times have changed. There are less interesting security apps and most of the people who were interested in having technical discussions have left. And I might be wrong but the MT forum is barely more active.
     
  19. roger_m

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    It's very active over there.
     
  20. EASTER

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    It is but if you ask me it's also very cluttered (unlike Wilders) and way overkill making it difficult to navigate.

    I know it's become the new norm for sites, but just like online news sites way too much by design to keep viewers ON THEIR SITE spending extra time trying to find the topics of interest.

    Wilders is much more modular and easier to locate content and topics IMHO
     
  21. Cache

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    I agree Easter. I don't post much but find everything I need here. I prefer the way things are organised here and the regular posters keep us all well informed.
     
  22. blacknight

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    I agree too.
     
  23. Rasheed187

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    Then I must have looked at the wrong sections? I simply navigated to certain categories like Technology News, Security News, General Security Discussions and some others, and there really aren't that many people responding to topics. It also looks very cluttered, I still prefer WSF.

    Like I said, there is nothing wrong with WSF in my view. It's more about that most people simply aren't interested in IT security anymore. Just look at the most popular topics on this forum, it's about Twitter and laptop batteries. But when I post something about malicious extenions, nobody seems to care.
     
  24. digmor crusher

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    For both forums I just click on "New Posts" when I visit, it makes it so much easier then trying to look for posts in different sections.

    FYI. MT has about twice the number of new posts daily as compared to here. ( Exception is when Rasheed goes on a spree.:p)
     
  25. nicolaasjan

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    I use the RSS feeds. :)
    (in my case with the help of the Livemarks extension)
     
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