What happened to Wilders Security?

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  1. BoerenkoolMetWorst

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    Some threads could indeed better be renamed to something more general, reflecting the topic of the thread. I for example never read more reactions of this thread: https://www.wilderssecurity.com/thr...ly-take-control-of-this-jeep-and-more.378129/ until I discovered that I contained new news items about all kinds of car hacks.

    There also used to be a lot more interesting security software, but a lot have died out due to low user count, patchguard, being bought by another company, etc. There is also a lot more focus on the enterprise market instead of home users from the security industry.
    For me personally I've also lost interest in more traditional AV products.
     
  2. Spartan

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    I even reported this thread to be renamed as it makes absolutely no sense in 2023: Windows Defender Is Becoming the Powerful Antivirus That Windows 10 Needs

    It's not Windows 10 anymore, the name is too long, simply: Windows Defender Discussion Thread could suffice
     
  3. Mr.X

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    They (staff) are not going to do it. Why? Dunno.
     
  4. digmor crusher

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    Yup, your 100% correct.
     
  5. xxJackxx

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    Bookmarks, search indexes, people that are unable to find it after a rename...
     
  6. Spartan

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    wrong, I used to run a forum using vBulletin 4, and while the renamed thread title change doesn't appear in the search results, when you click on the link, it still takes you there. Eventually, even the name change reflects in the search engine its temporary and it's not like we rename threads so often but it would be nice to tidy things up a bit.

    The search engines would reindex sites on a regular basis.
     
  7. Page42

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    It is a credit to management that they let this thread carry on. They could easily have locked or deleted it. I get the impression they are listening.
     
  8. anon

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    Really?
     
  9. Page42

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    Really.
     
  10. Raza0007

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    If thats the case then we should perhaps provide them with some suggestions as to how they can make Wilder's better, in addition to the ones already mentioned earlier I mean. Maybe they will take some of them into consideration.

    But before we do that I want to know if Wilder's is even making any money? Since all the paying clients who used to rent this forum have left, is Wilder's even profitable? Because if it is not, then this whole discussion is moot, and this would also explain the reason why there has been no effort on the management's part to address the decline of the forum. They probably just have the forum online for old times' sake, and don't have the resources to effect a change.

    Does anyone know the answer? How does Wilder's make money nowadays?
     
  11. Osaban

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    As far as I know this question has been asked in the past, but no answer as ever been given, no idea why.
     
  12. pegas

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    I'm not so impressed with the management's approach. This thread is one of the most active in the last three days, yet not a word has been said from them, at least from the moderators who are actively posting here. Lack of communication is the worst thing in any relationship.
     
  13. stapp

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    Off topic posts relating to other member's post numbers removed.

    Keep things civil please.

    Thanks.
     
  14. roger_m

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    I can't speak for others, but in my case, an antivirus is the only security software I use. I backup my system and I consider not being click happy does more to keep my safe than using antivirus software. But nonetheless, it's the only actual security software I use. At MalwareTips there are plenty of A vs B discussions.
     
  15. Hadron

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    And there is a perfect example of what everyone is talking about.

    There was nothing uncivil mentioned. The poster picked up on something in a previous post and posted a reply to something they thought was humorous.

    And if posts have to be that rigid that you cannot deviate an inch, then there is an obvious problem.

    Check out Windows 11 Forum, which is thriving.
    They allow minor deviations and some humor. In fact, you'll rarely see a moderator intervene.
     
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  16. Osaban

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    This was exactly my intention to say something tongue in cheek, I never meant to offend anyone...
     
  17. Hadron

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    It was obvious to me too, @Osaban :thumb:
     
  18. pegas

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    It smells of censorship ...
     
  19. Stupendous Man

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    I missed what was said and was removed.
    I know that what is humor to someone, can not be clearly humorous to someone else. Once I quoted something from a site that was discussed, that was meant humorous over there, but my quote was misunderstood and removed.
    Over all, I like how things are here at Wilders. I like how the moderators try to keep things friendly and civil. I've been on other forums, where more things were left unmoderated and as a consequence things were unpleasant over there. I like the friendly mood at Wilders.
     
  20. emmjay

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    I'll give one suggestion a go (for consideration) ...

    New Category

    1. AI (to include GPT, LLMs, AI impact on cybersecurity - ransomware and malware writers using AI to deliver their pain & destruction, status of world Govt. regulations, AI impact on human security - the gullible & the vulnerable, OPEN vs CLOSED implementation - product safety, stealth implementation, user safety). AI has come with some good intentions but implementation can pose a major security risk, e.g. self driving cars, trucks, trains, and even auto-piloted planes.

    AI is potentially dangerous, so says the Godfather of AI - we need to discus it. AI does not belong under 'Other Software & Services" . In fact, there is no other category here where it belongs. It gets buried when a single thread speaks to one specific area of interest. It is a lot more than what I have stated (above). Big tech is gorging on it and cyber criminals are loving it.

    Here is a short article that speaks directly to AI Security ...

    https://int3.substack.com/p/how-does-ai-fail
     
  21. ronjor

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    Noted. Thanks.
     
  22. ronjor

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    We have a new forum for AI and related discussions. https://www.wilderssecurity.com/categories/artificial-intelligence.146/
     
  23. JRViejo

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    We're going to try to answer the elephant in the room: A vs B discussions, knowing that whatever is said will never satisfy a few of our members.

    Every forum out there has Terms of Service and Rules policies, plus a Privacy Policy. In that regard, Wilders is no different than anyone else, yet we often wonder if members do read those policies before posting. Our Posting Policy Statement - Antivirus Software has been in place since July 2007. Further clarifications to this policy have been posted:

    Sep 2007: https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/f-secure-f-prot-feedback-comments.185353/#post-1075796
    Feb 2008: https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/avast.200089/#post-1181007
    May 2010: https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/mamutu-vs-prevx-safeonline.272494/#post-1677330

    Those have been our guidelines for a very long time, and we do allow intelligent discussions about products. What we don't want, and will never allow, is the back & forth of mindless discussions, especially attacking other members for their AV choices. We close those threads to send that message. Some get it, and some don't. That's the nature of the Internet.

    Comments on this thread makes it seem that we're closing A vs B threads all the time. Looking at the Other Anti-virus Software sub-forum: the last A vs B thread closed was on Mar 7, 2022, the next one was on Nov 25, 2021. Is that excessive? We don't see it that way.

    Even looking at the Other Anti-Malware Software sub-forum, where members like to sneak in A vs B Anti-virus threads, going back 10 pages to Oct 2018, there's not a single A vs B thread closure.

    Again, we allow intelligent discussions on all products, not just Anti-virus, from all members, and given our handling of past threads, we don't see the reason to get rid of our policy statement regarding anti-virus software discussions.


    We are well aware of the decline in forum participation during the past 5 years, especially during Covid-19. Since Wilders became a forum 21 years ago, there are many members that have left the industry, and many computer security companies are no longer here. Both computer software and hardware have had radical changes over the same period, achieving better results for customers, without encountering past problems. Smartphones have supplanted PCs for younger generations, and with newer models coming out almost every year, the chances of finding issues are slim to none. Attacks have shifted to corporations, where the money is at, via ransomware. All of the above does not mean that our forum can't get better, and we try every day to give a pleasant experience to all who visit our forum. When suggestions are made, we need to weigh the pros and cons, taking into consideration all the things that happen behind the curtain that members never see, before we make changes. Wilders might be conservative in implementing reforms, yet we are steady. We thank you for any suggestions that are made, and we are looking into some of them.
     
  24. anon

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    In other words, the patient is dead and now we are awaiting the funeral.
     
  25. Triple Helix

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    It is what it is as many Security Related forums have disappeared over the past 10+ years and others have tried but failed, I have been here since 2004 and always liked Wilders but they need to make some changes IMO such as reopen Ten-Forward because users could just chat and be friendly not necessarily security related but the main point is Security in so many ways not just PC or Mac like it was back in 2004 when I was still using a flip cell phone so many things have changed in the past 20 years but that's up to the Wilders Admin and Mod Teams to deal with! It's not an easy fix that's all I can say.

    Cheers my Brothers and Sisters! :D
     
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