What does it mean by going naked?

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  1. Ohmy

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    Hi,

    I saw a lot of people saying "going naked".

    But I don't really know the correct meaning of it.

    Does it just mean not using any AV and AS?

    Is that possible?

    If it is, what software do you use to make it possible?

    SBIE? GW? DW?
     
  2. Stephen2_Aus

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    For WinXP I used ProSecurity, SandboxIE and Outpost Pro 4 w/ HIPS turned off. Also ran a LUA using suRun.

    "Naked" on this forum means no AV (or more correctly I think - no resident scanners), so my setup was considered naked.

    However, I can honestly say I felt more secure with that setup than with an AV replacing any of the above. I'm a massive fan of ProSecurity and feel that nothing could touch me, but you do have to know what you're ALLOWING with a setup like that, if you run risky software.
     
  3. jrmhng

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    As per Stephen, going naked means no resident AV. Run a resident scanner as the baseline and use sandboxie, gw and dw as an additional layer. Don't get to side tracked by the naked people :p
     
  4. Ohmy

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    Well, being naked sounds really "light", if you know what I mean.
    I saw some people who only use GW or DW, and it looks okay to me too.
     
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  5. jrmhng

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    There are many AVs that are quite light. Im using F-prot and it hardly slows my underpowered laptop down. Dr Web and Avira also tend to be light.
     
  6. Peter2150

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    I agree wit the definition, but I was using F-Prot and I do see a difference without it. I currently run Sandboxie, OA latest beta's and SSM.

    Pete
     
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    How much of a difference? For me it is around 20 seconds at start up and nothing I can notice during normal use.
     
  8. PoetWarrior

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    Most of the time I'm only using Vista's built in defenses. No AV or additional spyware programs. Every so often I will temporarily install an AV to run a scan then remove it with FD. Clean is the word so far. :thumb:

    When I occasionally run XP Pro I'm working from Limited User account with no AV or AS. So far so good.
     
  9. ErikAlbert

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    I use a simple Firewall, Anti-Executable and DefenseWall. That's all.
    I still have to find the first scanner, that detects a threat, tracking cookie or MRU in my system.
    I don't call it "naked", I just like to have my "clean" system back after using it for any activity.
    I'm now looking for a solution to get rid of all my security softwares, because they slow down my system. In theory I don't really need them, if I keep ISR, IB and partition locking, which are three non-security softwares.
     
  10. Peter2150

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    Hard to measure. Just the general feel of the machine.

    Pete
     
  11. Perman

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    Hi,

    Naked = no software firewall + no any AV (realtime), any AS (realtime), anyAT(realtime) + no any HIPS (including behaviour blockers) + just sandbox/virtualization app.

    is this possible ?

    If it is, my elderly neighbour is really naked, because he uses DeepFreeze only, behind an router. Amazing !
     
  12. HURST

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    Nothing new to add to what has already been said. Naked can be no security at all or no real-time scanner. Here in Wilders, it is commonly defined as "no real-time" scanner.

    BTW, "naked" can be a lot safer (I don't feel naked at all), but it's not for everybody.
     
  13. Someone

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    Hi

    Does the classification really matter? As long as your system is working well that's all.
     
  14. HURST

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    Just wanted to add: don't go naked unless you really know what you are doing.

    Determine what are you infection chances, and HOW those infection can come into your computer (email attachments, usb drives, etc). This is done according to you computer habits and how you use it (are you the only one who uses that computer?, do you get a lot of attachments?, do you often use other peoples USB drives?, do you p2p?, etc)

    Once you have done that, be sure to UNDERSTAND how different security applications work. This way you can determine what can that software do for covering your bases. And then you have real security, according to your needs.:)
     
  15. jmonge

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    well said HURTS:thumb:
     
  16. Huupi

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    I use SBIE only for normal webbrowsing,if i going real ''dark'' i fire up Returnil as added layer. Use MBAM and SAS ondemand,thats pretty much it.
     
  17. trjam

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    It really isnt dangerous. I consider myself,"buck-naked" and more secure then when I used a suite. Alas, the good ole days of anti-spam and a firewall that couldnt detect its on Mother.:cautious:
     
  18. subset

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    Hi,

    two things seem to be slightly overrated:
    - AVs in general
    - and (like the other side of the coin) going naked

    Cheers
     
  19. nomarjr3

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    'Going naked' means having no resident anti-malware programs.
    It makes the system more responsive but it is recommended you use virtualization and sandbox programs.
     
  20. innerpeace

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    As jmonge has already stated, "well said" HURST.

    Ohmy,
    It is also normal to try other types of protections while still using "blacklist" scanners. Later, you can carefully wean yourself from them as you get more comfortable with your setup and your understanding of how malware can get on your system.

    As a side note: If your system is slow, consider getting another stick of RAM. It is fairly cheap these days.
     
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  21. jmonge

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    you can go naked or do what ever you want as long as you know what you are doing or downloading;) with sandboxie you can go butt naked and you are save.:D
    as long as you are virtualize.
     
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  22. EASTER

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    Heres another consideration with a different spin.

    NO HIPS/AV/AS = Naked

    Have to always include a firewall though i would think.

    SuRun/Kafu = LUA + Software Restriction Policy, this combo surprisingly & drastically LOCKS OUT potential for ANY malware to tamper with your controls/system i found.

    EASTER
     
  23. jmonge

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    software restriction policy like(defensewall or geswall)plus lua sounds good.:D
    ofcourse with outbound protection.
     
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