Gerry, i just now found your posting in the private forum back, now Jan digged it up by replying to that there (thanks) but you are referring there to other posts, i can't find, can you? I know it is the habit to put in links to such references and i forget them too sometimes; now you see the value of such references and using the private and this forum as a referring knowledgebase. I'm very disappointed that even though we ask each time to please submit the samples to the TDS lab so they can look into it and can refine their databases the samples are deleted before that. Now we hear a user snif snif i was infected and how oh my how can and snif more and there is not any certainty at all, there might have been nothing wrong or everything wrong so we don't know what to expect or just to disregard it. It could mean in a future event it could be ignored while it maybe shouldn't at all! I don't know and can't tell and i think from the first start of this thread i've made that point really very clear. It's impossible for DCS afterwards too if they don't know what was there or not there and what to look for. They don't eat you for submitting, the trojan might, your system, if it's a real one.