Virtualization/sandbox

Discussion in 'sandboxing & virtualization' started by nixie21, Mar 20, 2007.

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  1. 19monty64

    19monty64 Registered Member

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    I was just referring to secure deletion lol and asking if undelete could retrieve these files. Windows "delete" vs. secure deleteo_O
     
  2. Franklin

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    Using Sandboxie and PowerShadow here with no conflicts or slowdowns.

    Blacklists, who needs em.:blink:

    You can set Ccleaner to empty the sandbox storage folder when not active under options - custom - add folder.

    Also the desktop icon "run default web browser under sandoxie" can be renamed to Firefox or whatever and the icon changed to suit.

    My FF's normal run icon outside the sandbox is in quicklaunch.

    Lean ,mean and clean!

    Of course, those ghost images give a bit of confidence as well.;)
     
  3. Pedro

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    SandboxIE can only delete. To erase, you can associate an eraser with SandboxIE to erase the sandbox's content.
     
  4. Bob D

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    Secure Delete info: http://www.sandboxie.com/index.php?SecureDeleteSandbox
    Apparently, Tzuk opted not to incorporate any secure delete function, chose rather to keep program lean, avoid any bloat.
    Which does beg the question, though:
    IF one wanted to recover deleted files, where would they look?
    Once the Sandboxed app is closed, all vestiges of sandboxed files go away.
    Where do they go? Dunno. Not in recycle bin.
     
  5. pilotart

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    Deleting just removes location from your 'tree'.

    File Recovery software can usually retrieve deleted files as long as that spot on your Hard Drive has not been written over.

    That is how "Secure Erase" works, by re-writing zero seven or more times on every spot on HD that held that file. There may be 'forensic software' that could still recover a 'written-over' file.
     
  6. Bob D

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    So where physically on your harddrive (if anywhere) could one find these "removed" files?
     
  7. simmikie

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    as necessary as having a girlfriend to back-up your wife.

    just kidding. for me it's necessary. i do not walk the dark-side often, and i believe the security set-up i am currently using is pretty sound, but i like the idea of circumventing potential problems at the source. i became spoiled by sandboxing my main 'attack vectors' in particular browsers by Bufferzone. that redborder was/is highly comforting. Sandboxie adds a unusual twist as it does not allow (last i read) drivers to load, which i recently discovered can (at ring0) potentially fool sandboxies. how i do not know. but it seems Tzuk in his wisdom does not allow Sandboxie to load these. it may restrict to some degree the type of programs you can install sandboxed, but may increase overall security. i like that. if i wasnt to test install software i will use ShadowUser though it has some severe limitations itself.

    nothing is 100% secure as has been articulated perhaps 100's of times on this forum. but when i have something that is as unobtrusive as Sandboxie, that offers so many potential security benefits, with so little downside (i must delete the contents of the sandbox once in a whenever), the question might be why not use it?



    Mike
     
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  8. simmikie

    simmikie Registered Member

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    there is a post on Sandboxies website forum on this very topic. to summarize someone suggested making Sandboxies sandbox folder Top Level and using CC to clean. me i simply select delete contents of the sandbox. although i have not been bitten todate, i have been meaning to bring that up on their forum to ascertain exactly what might be insecure with that method.


    Mike
     
  9. pilotart

    pilotart Registered Member

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    There are programs to find them for you; From the AntiVir folks:

    Avira UnErase Personal
    (and click "Products" on that page)
    Copy below from linked site above:
    There are also companies that specialize in recovery of 'priceless' files from failed hard drives, at a very high price.
     
  10. jawadde

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    Can i run sandboxie with 265 RAM? Or is defenswall beter...?

    I want to use one of those but im not sure which one to choose :)
     
  11. Jarmo P

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    With that amount of RAM anything might be too much.

    Sandboxie has Control.exe 3.3 MB currently.
    Then SandboxieDcomLaunch.exe 2.3 MB.
    And SandboxieRpcSs 3.3 MB
    And SbieSvc.exe 2.7 MB.

    With my new XP Pro with ATI display driver software etc. as default install, my system starts at 370 MB. Must be some unnecessary software that could have been disabled. It did not take nowhere as much with my older XP Home puter with 512 MB memory.
    There are PG free and Comodo firewall running as well as Avira Antivir Classic and none are heavy memory users except Avira might take some virtual memory, 52 MB as far as I see is avguard.exe taking, and I think many other software installed takes more memory too with 2GB memory than with having less though. But I do feel a bit ashamed about the machines memory consumption. Must be something I should do. I remember the early days with Sinclair ZX Spectrum, 48 KB memory, no hard disk and still able to run much in that spartan age. So I do think memory consumtion these days is bloated. Good be of use a new tighter designed operating system as well as added software carefully designed with better tools. Just my opinion :p

    But Sandboxie is not a heavy user. Depends also how many programs you run sandboxed I think. Above was only with Firefox that is though a memory hog in itself.
     
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  12. q1aqza

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    :D :D :D
     
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