Virtualization/Rollback software test

Discussion in 'sandboxing & virtualization' started by Buster_BSA, Jul 1, 2010.

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  1. Serapis

    Serapis Registered Member

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    Buster I have heard a brief rumor that SD .326 doesnt cut it against the infections... Maybe if you can test this beta version plz
     
  2. dax123

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    Clean system (with no protection) -> infection -> reboot -> Kaspersky detects it [replace hdd w clean one]
    Protectied system -> infection -> reboot/rollback(reboot) -> Kaspersky checks it
    I tested LVs with these methods, all my samples couldn't evade kaspersky's detection.
    you can see the result here

    if kaspersky can reliably detect those rootkits in clean system then we can trust this tool, isn't it?
    is that logic incorrect?

    edit: I saw the article.
    I use VPC and each time the test ends i destroy my hdd and copys clean hdd, and do the another test.
    if it is a real environment we have to change it though
     
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  3. Meriadoc

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    :thumb: same.

    edit :
    btw it is not about not trusting, it is about methodology so there is less likely a mistake, or having to go back to confirm work and getting lost because of the process used.
     
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  4. dax123

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    Test performed against SafeSys/TDSS. despite some rumors, my result was clean.
     
  5. pandlouk

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    Add another 2 products that fail to restore a clean state in the list:

    FirstDefense-ISR - SafeSys = Fails to restore the system | TDSS = Fails to restore the system
    (note: the secondary snapshot remains clean, but updating the infected one does not restore it on a clean state).
    Roxio BackOnTrack Suite - SafeSys = Fails to restore the system | TDSS = Fails to restore the system


    Panagiotis
     
  6. Leach

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    This was a VirtualBox test this time with the original WindowsXP SP3 with the latest today's updates installed. I might call my first test "rumor" or a dream but I'm quite sure I'm not sleeping right now. The picture shows the system state after infecting the system with TDSS in shadow mode and a reboot.
     

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  7. Buster_BSA

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    Yes, I readed the same and I was going to verify it.
     
  8. Buster_BSA

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    If imaging solutions also fail to restore a system to a clean state then the issue with SafeSys/TDSS/and similar malwares is worst than we thought.

    I will try to make a test with Macrium Reflect which is the software I use to make/restore disk images.
     
  9. pandlouk

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    No imaging sollutions do not fail (if you restore the full image).

    But file synchronization sollutions like FD-ISR, B.O.T.'s instant restore, Windows System Restore, and file backup applications based on sync will fail.

    File size and date/time attributes of the infected files remained unaltered and this caused the restoration to fail.

    Panagiotis
     
  10. Konata Izumi

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    If it fails... I'll go crazy :D
     
  11. Boyfriend

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    It is sad to know that none of the virtualization/rollback software provides complete protection, as advertised and promised. After reading this thread, I lost my trust in Deep Freeze 7 :mad:
    I am thinking now about Shadow Defender and Returnil (with AE).

    Thanks guys and Wilder security for such test and comprehensive information :thumb:
     
  12. Leach

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    You shouldn't go crazy guys and make SUCH tests... :D
     
  13. dax123

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    oh you posted :eek:
    nevermind no offence I just quoted his term :blink:
    anyway I couldn't test with virtualbox it keeps making BSOD. maybe i'll try again.

    {Snip - Blue}
     
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  14. Leach

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    It's OK, was surprized. What system are you using then, please, VirtualPC, VMWare?
     
  15. BlueZannetti

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    To all:

    A couple of OT post snipped.

    The forum isn't a malware trading clearinghouse. What you do on your own is up to you, as are the consequences. However, please refrain from using the forum for requesting and/or engaging in malware sample trading.

    Along a similar vein, if you want to communicate with someone via PM, perhaps a direct PM to them, rather than a forum post requesting that they PM you, is the most efficient path to follow.

    Thanks in advance.

    Blue
     
  16. Meriadoc

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    You tested FDISR freeze, correct?
    Thanks for this confirmation. I did not test FDISR, I knew it would fail this, I hope that does not sound condescending as that is certainly not my intention.
     
  17. pandlouk

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    I tested every aspect of it. Normal update from secondary snapshot, update from archive, and Freeze. (freeze is nothing more than 2 snapshots + archive).
    With freeze you will have the most interesting result. One reboot will be clean, the next one infected, then clean again, infected again and so on. :D
    Well, FD-ISR was the one program that I did not expect to fail in this test (even though I already new it's limitation of file size and time/date, since I had encountered it with a preboot custom screen image I used last year).
    -These two malware do not hit the mbr, and do not try to infect the snapshot directory.

    Panagiotis
     
  18. dax123

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    I tested some TDSS samples to my production machine.
    Shadow Defender 1.1.0.325 has no problem protecting the system.
    various TDSS cleaner shows my system is clean.
    however I've got to have more gut to test 326 version since it's not a public release :doubt:


    Sorry and I won't make it happen again. :'(
     
  19. Peter2150

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    Assuming you are dong the fdisr restore from an archive, if you went into safe mode, deleted as much of c:\ as you can, and then restored the archive.

    Little less efficient, but I bet it might work.
     
  20. pandlouk

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    Well, if you already know that you are infected, you can delete only the infected files and updating it will fix it.
    Or even delete the snapshot alltogether and recreate it.
    The problem is when you are unaware of the infection.

    Panagiotis
     
  21. vhick

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    What is Shadow Defender have a folder exclude? The result is still the same?

    Thank you...
     
  22. arran

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    I can't see how Macrium Reflect would fail the test if you have a Macrium Reflect backed up image on another harddisk which isn't plugged into your pc.
    Its impossible for malware to travel thru the air onto another harddisk which isn't connected to your pc.

    FDISR I'm not surprised that this has Failed I have kill disk viruses which can bypass that.

    SD so we still don't have any technical explanation as to how SD Passes yet?
     
  23. Buster_BSA

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    I was thinking when backup image is on same PC.

    Almost for sure Macrium will pass the test but you never know for sure until you test.
     
  24. arran

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    It's always a good security policy to have a backed up image on a separate unplugged harddisk that way it isn't possible for malware worms etc to copy itself over to the other harddisk and infect the backed up image itself.
     
  25. Buster_BSA

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    It´s also a good security policy don´t run the OS with admin rights but you know many people don´t do that. In fact most users don´t work in a LUA.

    What I mean is that the question is if the malware can survive to imaging solutions in a certain circumstance. A circumstance that probably will be the one where most users are if you understand what I mean.
     
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