Ventoy

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by Hadron, Aug 10, 2020.

  1. Hadron

    Hadron Registered Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2014
    Posts:
    1,725
    I wonder if Ventoy could be used on a partition on an internal drive. Preferably a secondary drive.
    Now, that would be good.
     
  2. TheRollbackFrog

    TheRollbackFrog Registered Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2011
    Posts:
    4,307
    Location:
    The Pond - USA
    I don't believe Ventoy can currently prepare a non-USB storage element for use. A Ventoy prepared USB storage element mounts just fine within the System... if you're willing to use exFAT formatting for the balance of the partition which is what Ventoy prepares for its ISOs. Ventoy, for its purposes, will only follow properly named folders and files (according to its specs) when doing its ISO searching and listing. Ventoy won't show anything that's not properly named. In FOLDER TREE MODE (F3) it will follow properly named folders to get to an ISO that may be buried down a bit in the folder tree. It won't show anything else in the Ventoy lists it produces.

    You can put anything you'd like on the main Ventoy partition and it will work just fine under any Windows System that understands exFAT formatting (all modern Systems do, I believe). Ventoy itself won't see any of that stuff if it's named wrong or there's no ISO at any depth in the tree.

    So, if you'd like, you can have a fully normal exFAT partition and a special, properly named Ventoy folder (Ventoy works fine :)) on that partition that follows the Ventoy naming rules and create any ISO tree structure you'd like for your ISOs at any depth in the tree.

    I've played with Ventoy named folders at a depth of at least five and put ISOs everywhere. Ventoy only shows the Ventoy folder and any Ventoy named path to any ISO that exists in the tree. It works very well. That'll at least let you use a lot of a large partition space for other file storage. Just remember, exFAT doesn't support a lot of the file properties supported under NTFS, but probably none that you really need or are interested in.

    On that newly built 500gB HDD mentioned above, I have a complete Ventoy folder tree of the ISOs I use plus a folder full of standard software installers I use from time to time. The installers are used (and run) under the standard Windows operating System and the Ventoy prepared folder is used only by Ventoy (and me when I'm populating/depopulating the ISO groups... ISO updates, etc.).

    So far so good!
     
  3. Hadron

    Hadron Registered Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2014
    Posts:
    1,725
    Have you got that in a USB caddy?
    I guess you can use any USB external drive.
    But I wonder what the restriction is for getting it to work on an internal drive.
     
  4. TheRollbackFrog

    TheRollbackFrog Registered Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2011
    Posts:
    4,307
    Location:
    The Pond - USA
    At the moment it's in a USB3 dock but will be in an unused USB3 caddy shortly. I'm sure any USC connected storage device will work just fine, regardless of size... although the usefulness of super large drives may be limited due to exFAT formatting. (see EDIT below)

    The USB BOOTing structure is a bit different than internal drives, I believe... the Dev may get to it eventually. The Dev is busy at making it as compatible as possible to usable ISOs. Boot to DOS ISOs definitely don't work.

    EDIT: exFAT max filesize = 16 exbibytes, max partition size = 128 petibytes
     
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2020
  5. TheRollbackFrog

    TheRollbackFrog Registered Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2011
    Posts:
    4,307
    Location:
    The Pond - USA
    I stand corrected... BOOTing is BOOTing as long as you follow all the rules that apply. I only tested it in Legacy-MBR mode but when I prepared my HDD, via USB, to be a VENTOY device, then installed it as an internal HDD... all BOOTed just fine when either selecting the device itself for BOOTing or putting it first in my BOOT order.

    So yes, it looks like it can be prepared and used as an internal drive... it's just up to the Devs to decide whether this is a function they'd like to support. A lot of folks who do this stuff shy away from internal drive preparation due to the risk of making a possible typo or wrong selection and blowing the internal drive away :eek:. I don't think it's been brought up in their Forums as of yet... that may be a good place for the request if you feel its needs are important.
     
  6. Hadron

    Hadron Registered Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2014
    Posts:
    1,725
    What extra function are you suggesting?
     
  7. TheRollbackFrog

    TheRollbackFrog Registered Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2011
    Posts:
    4,307
    Location:
    The Pond - USA
    If you want VENTOY to directly prepare an internally (non-USB) connected drive for its purposes. I don't envision a need for this in any application I may have.
     
  8. TheRollbackFrog

    TheRollbackFrog Registered Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2011
    Posts:
    4,307
    Location:
    The Pond - USA
    Turns out exFAT is the DEFAULT (for best interSystem operation <Win, Linux, MacOS, etc.>) but that partition may be changed (in format) to anything desired (in case you want all the bells & whistles of NTFS, etc.).
     
    Last edited: Aug 20, 2020
  9. mood

    mood Updates Team

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2012
    Posts:
    33,381
    Ventoy v1.0.20 Released (August 30, 2020)
    Website
    Download (GitHub)
    Changelog
     
  10. mood

    mood Updates Team

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2012
    Posts:
    33,381
    Ventoy v1.0.21 Released (September 12, 2020)
    Website
    Download (GitHub)
    Changelog
    ]1.0.21
    1. Experimental support for booting VHD(x) file (ventoy_vhdboot.img needed). Notes
    2. Add Ventoy LiveCD package(Not ISO version of Ventoy, just used to install Ventoy). Notes
    3. Add auto memdisk plugin. Notes
    4. Change F5 Debug to F5 Tools and add a menu to set resolution
    5. Optimization for F4 Search and boot Windows
    6. Optimization for boot atrix and archlinux series distros
    7. Fix a bug when boot Debian series distros with preseed configuration. issue #456
    8. Ventoy2Disk.exe doesn't check partition active flag anymore
    9. New iso support
      • Memtest86+ mt531b.iso (Memdisk mode) (Legacy)
      • atzlinux-10.5.1-amd64-DVD-1.iso (Legacy + UEFI)
    See ventoy.net/en/doc_news.html for detail.
     
  11. mood

    mood Updates Team

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2012
    Posts:
    33,381
    Ventoy v1.0.22 Released (September 27, 2020)
    Website
    Download (GitHub)
    Changelog
    1.0.22
    1. Add Linux vDisk boot plugin (install linux distro into a vhd/vdi/raw file and boot with Ventoy). Notes
    2. Change the check policy when Ventoy is running on a partition which is not created by Ventoy2Disk
    3. Add disk signature to Ventoy os parameter structure
    4. Fix bugs in Ventoy2Disk.sh for install Ventoy on NVMe disk
    5. Fix a bug with error message null src bitmap in grub_video_bitmap_create_scaled
    6. Add VTOY_SORT_CASE_SENSITIVE in global control plugin
    7. Optimization for boot Manjaro series distros
    8. New iso support
      • mAid_v2020-09-15_11-40_x86_64_forgetful.iso (Legacy + UEFI)
    See ventoy.net/en/doc_news.html for detail.
     
  12. mood

    mood Updates Team

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2012
    Posts:
    33,381
    Ventoy v1.0.23 Released (October 16, 2020)
    Website
    Download (GitHub)
    Changelog
    1.0.23
    1. Make VTOY_DEFAULT_IMAGE avaliable in both ListView mode and TreeView mode
    2. Add VTOY_TREE_VIEW_MENU_STYLE option in global control plugin
    3. Change the default resolution to 1024x768
    4. Pass ventoy runtime parameter to OS by ACPI table
    5. Fix issue #521 (blackarch 2020.06.01 boot fail)
    6. Fix issue #516 (archlinux 2020.10.01 boot fail in UEFI mode)
    7. Fix issue #512 (file with name .iso)
    8. Fix Parabola EFI booting (PR #508)
    9. Fix a bug when booting VentoyLiveCD iso
    10. New iso support
      • blackarch-linux-live-2020.06.01-x86_64.iso (Legacy + UEFI)
      • archlinux-2020.10.01-x86_64.iso (Legacy + UEFI)
      • GeckoLinux_STATIC_Mate.x86_64-152.200726.0.iso (Legacy + UEFI)
      • fossapup64-9.5.iso (Legacy + UEFI)
    See ventoy.net/en/doc_news.html for detail.
     
  13. mood

    mood Updates Team

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2012
    Posts:
    33,381
    Ventoy v1.0.24 Released (October 17, 2020)
    Website
    Download (GitHub)
    Changelog
     
  14. mood

    mood Updates Team

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2012
    Posts:
    33,381
    Ventoy v1.0.25 Released (October 21, 2020)
    Website
    Download (GitHub)
    Changelog
     
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.