Using Older Version of Macrium Reflect

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by Melita, Dec 31, 2017.

  1. Melita

    Melita Registered Member

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    I have run into 2 problems in Windows XP.

    1. When I try to prepare a USB Drive to create Rescue Media the Command Window does not show the USB Drive in the list when I enter 'list disk'. It only shows the internal HD (In My Computer the USB Drive is listed under 'Devices with Removable Storage' and not under 'Hard Disk Drives')

    2. When I try to restore the Disk Image I created earlier (my post #23 above), I get the 'Unable To Lock Drive' message. Please see uploaded file.

    What should I do?
     

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  2. TheRollbackFrog

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    Melita, you cannot restore your LIVE Windows drive from within Windows, it must be done using your Rescue media.
     
  3. Jo Ann

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    @Melita - re the first problem you listed (USB drive isn't recognized), hopefully these tips may help. As a last resort you should create a Rescue CD (assuming you have a CD/DVD RW drive)!

    JA
     
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  4. Melita

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    I think I have used a wrong term here and mislead you. Sorry about that! I did not create the Rescue media because I was not able to prepare the USB Drive as instructed on page 85 of the user manual 'Preparing a USB stick for Windows PE'. USB Drive is not showing when 'list disk' is entered in the command window. I gave it up for the moment. But I created a backup image of the 'C' partition in an external HD. Please see attachment. It is when I try to restore that backup image that I get 'Unable To Lock Drive' message in my previous post.
    The USB Device is showing in My Computer under 'Devices with Removable Storage'. There is no problem with recognition by Windows XP. If it appeared under 'Hard Disk Drives' I would have been able to prepare it as bootable device as instructed in the manual. So that is where I am stuck as to creating rescue media. If only I can make the USB Drive show up under 'Hard Disk Drives' so that it appears in the Command Window!
     

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  5. TheRollbackFrog

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    We need to slow down a bit here :)

    I'm assuming you're trying to use Reflect v6 since that is what you asked for earlier. If so, Page 85 of its USERS GUIDE references nothing you mention above about preparing a USB stick. What document are you referring to when you mention Page 85? EDIT: just found your procedure on Page 75 instead.

    I don't have XP on any of my systems but under every other OS I'm using, DISKPART does show "removable" UFDs (USB Flash Disk) under "List Dosk." Maybe we're dealing with some sort of Windows XP limitation if it's not showing up there. We may have to suggest a 3rd party tool to do your MBR creation work... and many of those no longer function under Windows XP.

    Even though you have a successful image on your external "My Passport" disk, you don't mention how you're trying to do this restore since you have no Rescue Media (not created above). YOU CANNOT DO THE RESTORE DESCRIBED ABOVE WITHOUT A FUNCTIONING RESCUE MEDIA, as I mentioned earlier in the thread. Running Reflect from your installed XP System requires its ability to "unlock" the partition it's trying to restore. You can do this with most partitions on your System but not the Windows partition itself... it remains locked while your System is running. That why you need to do that type of restoration from a WinPE Rescue Media where your main XP System partition will not be locked ('cause you're not running from it, you're running from WinPE instead) and it may be restored.

    Your process explanation needs to be a bit clearer for the Forum members to understand exactly what you are doing here.
     
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  6. TheRollbackFrog

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    After checking under a Windows XP VM, indeed XP's "Diskpart" WILL NOT LIST removable disks, a shortcoming at that time, I guess.

    If you can, you should use a more modern System for this part of the procedure (ending on Page 77)... the rest of the procedure should work just fine under XP. If you can't, we'll try and come up with a 3rd party tool, running under XP, that'll do the job for you.

    ...or, burn a CD/DVD of the Recovery Media instead (can be done right from Reflect).
     
  7. Melita

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    I clicked on 'Restore Image' at the extreme right of the back up image. In the next window I ticked 'Copy selected partitions when I click 'next'' and clicked 'Next'. Then I was shown the 'Restore summary' and I clicked on 'Finish' and the next window opened the 'Unable to lock drive' window that I posted above.

    Your explanation showed me why I cannot do this without first creating Rescue media. That is clear now.

    I did the diskpart procedure on my Windows 7 which showed the USB in the disk list. It went fine till the last step and the attachment shows the disappointing result. Repeated many times with the same result. Should I post the event log here (making sure it is proper to do so).

    I would really like to use the USB because it is much more convenient in the long run. Is there anything more that I can try before using a CD. I have run out of them. So I will have to go and buy one.

    This is just for your information. There are 2 user manuals for v6, the one I got from your link dated 31st July 2015 and another dated 27th December 2016 which I had downloaded earlier from somewhere. The former has 217 pages and the latter 374 pages. That is how I got page 85 above.

    P.S. I just found the link to the later v6 manual:

    http://updates.macrium.com/reflect/v6/user_guide/macrium_reflect_v6_user_guide.pdf?src=sidebar
     

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  8. TheRollbackFrog

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    Melita, I would start from scratch on that Win7 System and re-do the USB stick... don't skip anything. I would also use all LowerCase arguments in the "format" string except the actual label name used between your QUOTES (do what you want there).

    I just ran that procedure and it runs just fine on my Win7 System.
     
  9. Peter2150

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    On the usb stick be sure to follow the macrium instructions to create the partition and make it bootable for the USB stick
     
  10. Jo Ann

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    @Melita - CDs are very cheap and based on my past experience they are more reliable than USB (with XP). The BIOS of my old Dell Dimension desktop with WinXP didn't even offer a USB boot option!

    That said, try to have Reflect create a Rescue ISO file. If you can do that you can use Rufus to create a Rescue Boot USB from that ISO file (so long as your WinXP PC can boot from USB). ;)
     
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  11. Melita

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    I tried the lower case argument and got the same result as before. Then I omitted the last word 'quick' in the string and it worked! It did a full format. After '100% complete' again I got the 'diskpart has encountered an error.........' message, but I am going to try creating the rescue disk. I need a little help here:

    I am not going to select 1. 'Include optional components to add BitLocker Encryption and iSCSI support'. 2.
    Enable multiboot MBR/UEFI. Is this ok (I only use XP and Win 7)?

    I don't understand this:
    'Select this option to enable the prompt 'Press any key to boot from CD or DVD...' when your PC starts. This is useful if you want to bypass Windows PE and boot into your host Windows OS'

    Could you please explain?

    P.S. I went ahead anyway, pending an answer to the above, to see if the USB is accepted by Macrium. It accepted and offered the USB selection automatically and I selected it. When it came to 'mount' stage of creating the recovery media, the image was mounted and then it was unmounted and I got the following message in attachment (1). When I clicked on 'On line help' in that window, what I found is in attachment (2).

    The instructions to prepare the USB makes you partition and format it. And here Macrium is saying because it is already partitioned, it cannot create a partition and cannot create the Rescue media! I just found that, in USB Properties XP says the USB 'file system' is RAW and in Win 7 'file system' is left blank.

    Hi Jo Ann, Now that I have come all this way, I might as well go this path for the time being. Once I get my teeth into something I don't give up easily:)
     

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    First, this item... Reflect gives you the option, when creating the Rescue Media, to offer you that typical 5-sec delay in order to avoid BOOTing from this media (if an operating System is installed)... you know, hit a key to BOOT from the media, otherwise BOOT into the OS. If you select that option, you will get it, if not, it will always BOOT into the Rescue Media if the media is poised to BOOT.

    As far as the rest of what you're trying to do, you keep running into various XP limitations during your task. If I had my druthers and really wanted to use Macrium REFLECT with an XP System, I would create a PE10-based media on my Win7 System (you must load Reflect FREE on that System to do this) and use that for recovery on my XP System. PE10 has the richest set of drivers for use with various hardware so it should function well on the older XP System if you're using nothing more than internal or USB2-based disks for image storage. It matters not that the PE10 OS (Windows 10-based) is running vs the System you're trying to restore (XP-based), the PE10 media should run fine on your old hardware... the main thing is your old hardware needs to be able to do is BOOT from a Legacy USB port (many do not).

    If your Win7 System is definitely a Legacy-MBR System (rather than an UEFI-GPT BOOTable System), I WOULD NOT use the "Enable Multiboot MBR/UEFI" option... this is only needed if you're planning to use that Rescue Media on both types of Systems. Your XP System cannot run as an UEFI-GPT System. If in the future this changes, just recreate your Rescue Media once again on your Win7 System to accommodate that potential upgrade.
     
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    ...and to finally comment on your effort above, Windows XP is 16-yrs old and fully unsupported at this point (like having MS-DOS just a few years ago). If you really need that hardware, I would look to a Win7 upgrade for it... if its hardware has enough uuumph (RAM mostly) to support it.

    XP has reached that famous cliff... no more MicroSloth support, browsers fast failing due to the OS, AV fast failing, and general applications doing the same thing. I would either put that System on my mantle with some flowers and a candle on each side, or upgrade it to Win7. Another consideration if you really need a running Windows XP System is to use a FREE Virtual System mgr. (VirtualBox) on your Win7 System and run the XP VM only when needed (since you can't live without it :D ). I have just done this with Windows in my Linux MINT OS. My plan is to run only MINT as my main OS and only running applications that I cannot replace in MINT, under the Windows VM. That VM will be frozen until it breaks (no updates, no nuthin', then maybe an upgrade if needed to continue running my Windows-only apps if they break). This is my way of breaking away from Microsoft, hopefully forever. Your needs, of course, are much different than mine.
     
  14. Melita

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    Well I guess that settles it. I will do it on Win 7 with PE10. Is there any reason or disadvantage in using my 1TB external drive instead of DVD or USB Drive, to store the rescue media.
    It's a nice way of doing it. Microsoft has been annoying and provoking people for a long time :ouch: I refused to downgrade to Win 10.
     
  15. Jo Ann

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    @Melita, keep in mind that the rescue media must be bootable! Also, the PC on which you are using MR must be able to boot that media, so if that PC is very old its BIOS might not support booting from certain external devices (be sure to determine that)! Beyond those factors, selecting your rescue media is just a matter of access convenience and boot-up speed.
     
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  16. TheRollbackFrog

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    Melita, I'm not quite sure of what you are saying here. When you say STORING your Rescue Media, are you talking about storing an ISO image of the Rescue Media itself, or are you talking about storing your Reflect images?

    The 1st has little meaning. Your Rescue Media should be created on either a CD/DVD or a UFD (not a 1tB external drive)... it won't be stored anywhere in particular, it can always be re-created. If you're talking about image storage, that 1tB external drive is just fine... just use separate folders for your different Systems.
     
  17. crofttk

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    But it can be created on a 1TB external drive, as I've done so myself. It just needs a separate partition to boot from - active and FAT32 for that partition and rescue media contained therein will boot a Legacy/BIOS or UEFI system either one. Perhaps beyond scope of OP's interest but nonetheless....
     
  18. Melita

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    I am sorry for continuing to use confusing language :eek: It is clear to me that rescue media has to be created either on a CD/DVD or a UFD, and not stored anywhere. That was stupid of me to waste your time! So, I'll go ahead and use Win 7 with PE10.

    Jo Ann. Thank you for your concern. I checked my BIOS boot options and it supports both CD/DVD and USB. My Motherboard is 17 years old but it supports both and it is still lightning fast!

    Thank you
     
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  19. Melita

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    I read about this somewhere and remembered, but I don't know how successful that person was in doing it.
     
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    I don't know about that person but it works fine for me. I have a 1GB fat32 partition for the Macrium rescue boot and program files (which I update periodically as MR updates come out) on the USB HDD and the rest of the 1TB is one ntfs partition that I store the images on.
     
  21. TheRollbackFrog

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    Melita, "17 years old" & "lightning fast" usually don't go together very well :)

    What mainboard is it and what is the resident CPU on that board... very curious.
     
  22. Melita

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    Asus P5LD2 with Intel Pentium 4 - 3.40GHz :cool: Superb customer support even today. Driver updates still available there! I am the second owner - got a gift of this about 5 years back. Using XP on it almost every day. CPU rarely exceeds 75% use, even when playing DVDs or whatever else I do on it.
     
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  23. Jo Ann

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    @Melita, that hardware is more like 12-13 years old, but who's counting. ;)

    ...and I certainly concur with Froggie's remarks in post #38 re running WinXP being extremely risky - think about a 'lightweight' Linux distro (we are doing just that on our legacy P4 desktop and Linux will be the path for my laptop when Win7 support ends)! :thumb:
     
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  24. Melita

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    Hi Jo Ann, Thank you for reminding me about the risks of using XP. The trouble is that I find it hard to give it up. I am using all available protections. My friend who gave me the Asus Mainboard said it is 17 years old. I asked him again today. He has forgotten the exact year but says not later than 2003. But as you say who is counting!

    Regards,
     
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    I created rescue media. Backed up system image 'C' and restored successfully. Backed up 2 other partitions and restored. Everything is fine except, after restoring 'C' I keep getting the following pop up every 5 seconds. Did dskchk using 'run' command. Some files were repaired but this pop keeps persisting.
     

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