updated zone alarm may not be good?

Discussion in 'other firewalls' started by tomteeth, Jul 30, 2002.

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  1. root

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    If you are not networked, Outpost free is an excellent choice. :D
     
  2. Bethrezen

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    hi root

    no im not runing a net work just my and my home pc

    been to the out post home page and sounds good if its as easy to use and secure as they say then i should be ok so i think im goin to give it a go and see how i get on

    if i get stuck ill be back

    thanks for ya answer
     
  3. Paul Wilders

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    Hi Bethrezen,

    You'd better; root is the one and only expert on OutPost - except for Mikhail possibly ;).

    regards.

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  4. MickeyTheMan

    MickeyTheMan Security Expert

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    Paul, i'm quite sure you expected me to jump in here at this time. ;)
    LNS with it's enhanced ruleset could very well be run without any rule adjustment and provide as good if not better protection than any other firewall on the market at the present time.
    And we both know it successfully passes all the tests currently known.
     
  5. Paul Wilders

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    Mickey,

    At last :D - What took you this long? ;)

    regards.

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  6. Tuulilapsi

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    ZoneAlarm 3.x

    ... I don't quite see the problem here, guys. Zone Alarm (Free) is a software firewall, and that's all it is. It's not supposed to (as in this is not its primary function) protect your email from viruses or even quarantine suspicious-looking files. It's not supposed to be a catch-all security suite. Nope, just a simple, damned good (at least in my experience), working software firewall for free.

    Seriously, I cannot understand why one would even need the email protection ZA 2.6 offered. I mean, what does it do, ultimately? Nothing. When you get an attachment, the program does nothing more than quarantine the file - and then ask you what to do to it. It's not like ZA scans your attachments for viruses and trojans. The responsibility is still yours, just as it would be if you had no email protection from ZA. I've long since turned ZA's email protection off.

    As for what really isn't good in the new ZA, that's the new interface. The old one was definitely better. On the other hand, the new logs are far more clear than the old ones. And it seems the new version has a better background noise filtering to keep the logs more tidy, now. I'm not sure, though.

    I upgraded - and I don't regret it at all. When someone points out a security fault in the new version that the old did not have (firewall-wise, not in the email protection), then I'll start regretting.
     
  7. Paul Wilders

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    Hi Tuulilapsi,

    If your a happy camper using ZA, just stick to it ;).

    As for:

    It's a matter of choice and principle. Application based FWs - like ZA Free - will not allow any kind of fine tuning. Say fe you allow IExplorer (or any other browser for that matter) to access the net as an application, you will not be able to accept or deny traffic "coming with it". An example: many avatars in use on various boards are hosted on third party servers. Rule base FWs will (if configured that way) pop up each time, asking you if you allow traffic to/from these third party servers. ZA Free, being a purely application based firewall, will never pop up an alert in any way.

    It's in essence a quite "harmless" example - but I do hope you'll get the picture.

    regards.

    paul
     
  8. tomteeth

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    MickeyThe Man: LNS with it's enhanced ruleset could very well be run without any rule adjustment! I am not familiar with this, can you supply a web site for me, Thank You Tom
     
  9. Paul Wilders

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  10. snowman

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    Tommy

    I have followed the developement of Look n Stop for several years.........its a firewall I have used.......an have found it to be a great product
    its best that Mickey reply to any questions you may have.....or Spy1.......
    Tommy there are two versions of Look n Stop......the Pro verson and the "Lite" version....the "lite" version is freeware.
     
  11. spy1

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  12. tomteeth

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    I am looking over the sites now, probably spend some time on them between now and tomorrow, Maybe, will have a few question later! very interesting and I want to Thank You Guys for supplying them, Tom
     
  13. spy1

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    You're quite welcome. Pete
     
  14. MickeyTheMan

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    Maybe this needs clarification.
    When you use an application firewall, say ZA, rules are included in the firewall. You just don't see them and have litttle control over how they operate. Doesn't mean the firewall is no good, it's simply that you can't adjust them when and if you want.
    By using a ruleset firewall like say LNS, and using the Enhanced Ruleset that comes with it, you could very well operate it as if you had an application firewall and make no changes to the rules already included. The main difference is that you can see every rule that applies, and when you are ready to start modifiying them, you can if you want to. You don't have to, but can if you want. It also allows you to better understand how a firewall works when you can actually see what rules applies when something is blocked for example.
     
  15. tomteeth

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    Mickey the man: Thanks You for the explanation, i am starting to learn this, I have been on LNS web site for the last 2 hours, really interesting! I love to learn things, especially when they can protect my pc. I have had a couple of bad virus's etc. with my old Computers and it was a mess. Does LNS have its own forum for just this feature? I saw Becky's! Or are they both connected?
     
  16. MickeyTheMan

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    Becky is another board just like this one or any others.
    LNS does have a support forum at Becky where Frédéric (the author) visits regularly. Many users are quick to jump in when help is needed by one.
    AFAIK many users are members of both boards, and few like me practically everywhere ! :D
    Doesn't mean i'm necessarily liked though, as i play favourite to no one or no company. ;)
    Cross my path and MickeyTheMan becomes MickeyTheBear ! :D
     
  17. Paul Wilders

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    Hey Mickey, when the heck did you become a Panda AV fan? :D

    regards,

    paul
     
  18. tomteeth

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    Ok, Thanks for the reply
     
  19. snowy

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    A big warm fluffy teddy bear

    snowman
     
  20. snowy

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    my aopolgy for the "Bear" remark...if I were login I would edit it........an not blow anyones cover....

    snowman
     
  21. MickeyTheMan

    MickeyTheMan Security Expert

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    Yeah, growls a lot....but does no harm ! :D
     
  22. snowy

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    as a avid outdoors person....experience has taught me that when a bear groals.....its time for a person to take the fetal position....an make peace with his higher power

    snowman

    ot..sorry
     
  23. jnibori

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    Question:

    I have been reading the reviews about the new freeware version of ZA, which I installed. I have also read that if I want the older version back, with all of the benefits, I will have to fuss around in the registry, which I would rather not do.

    What if I completely uninstalled the new version of ZA using Add/Remove, deleting the program file folder, and anything else I can find. And, what if I use system restore to back up to a point before I installed the newer version, and installed the older version. Would I be back to the point where I get all of the benefits I once had ?? RE MailSafe option?
     
  24. tomteeth

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    Please, don't bother, it will do No Good, its gone for good, once you loose it!
     
  25. jnibori

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    You know - the stupid thing is that I had the new version installed about 3 minutes after learning it was out there. Instead of downloading it, and taking the time ( at least an effort) to research it a bit, I blindly installed the older, for the "better."

    I have read over and over that newer does not equal better. Once again another lesson learned from my own mistakes. Hopefully, there will be scads of information about how much better the newer version is ( sure jnibori).

    I am sure the new version is good too. ZA has always been at the top. And why am I complaining about a free, highly secure, firewall anyway ?

    Thanks for the replies.
     
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