UltimateDefrag - is this the best defragger ever?

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  1. mantra

    mantra Registered Member

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    i used ntfsinfo.exe http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897424.aspx

    and give the command
    and i get
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    C:\>ntfsinfo.exe C:
    
    NTFS Information Dump V1.01
    Copyright (C) 1997 Mark Russinovich
    http://www.sysinternals.com
    
    Volume Size
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    Volume size            : 61443 MB
    Total sectors          : 125837080
    Total clusters         : 15729635
    Free clusters          : 6752946
    Free space             : 26378 MB (42% of drive)
    
    Allocation Size
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    Bytes per sector       : 512
    Bytes per cluster      : 4096
    Bytes per MFT record   : 1024
    Clusters per MFT record: 0
    
    MFT Information
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    MFT size               : 89 MB (0% of drive)
    MFT start cluster      : 64
    MFT zone clusters      : 5321760 - 7265184
    MFT zone size          : 7591 MB (12% of drive)
    MFT mirror start       : 50446
    
    Meta-Data files
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  2. mantra

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    it's very strange
    i did perform a strick placement defrag
    and i get 2mb :(
    from 7GB to 2mb
    i guess it's pretty nice buggy!

    Code:
    NTFS Information Dump V1.01
    Copyright (C) 1997 Mark Russinovich
    http://www.sysinternals.com
    
    Volume Size
    -----------
    Volume size            : 61443 MB
    Total sectors          : 125837080
    Total clusters         : 15729635
    Free clusters          : 11058123
    Free space             : 43195 MB (70% of drive)
    
    Allocation Size
    ----------------
    Bytes per sector       : 512
    Bytes per cluster      : 4096
    Bytes per MFT record   : 1024
    Clusters per MFT record: 0
    
    MFT Information
    ---------------
    MFT size               : 89 MB (0% of drive)
    MFT start cluster      : 5243232
    MFT zone clusters      : 5266016 - 5266624
    MFT zone size          : 2 MB (0% of drive)
    MFT mirror start       : 5283502
    
    Meta-Data files
    ---------------
     
  3. L815

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    I did a defrag with Ultimate defrag last night.

    Analyzed - 51% fragmentation
    Defrag with "fragmented files only"
    Analyzed - 50% fragmentation
    Analyzed with defraggler - 38% fragmentation

    Defrag with "auto"
    Analyzed - 50% fragmentation
    Analyzed with defraggler - 34% fragmentation

    Analyzed with o&o .12 % fragmentation
    Defrag with o&o with "Space"
    Analyzed with o&o - 0 % fragmentation
    Analyzed with defraggler - 34% fragmentation
    Analyzed with Ultimate - 50% fragmentation


    I don't get it :/
     
  4. Espresso

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    ntfsinfo is an old program and wasn't updated for the latest version of ntfs. My MFT zone size shows up as 0 MB in Vista.
     
  5. mantra

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    thanks
    i use xp
    which tool could i use?
     
  6. Long View

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    do you have returnil or shadow defender ? The try diskeeper ? I think it will tell you the real size - just use Returnil to protect, then install the demo and reboot back to normal.
     
  7. mantra

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    thanks for all you advises

    it there a way to upgrade the config files of ud 2.00.48 to the last version?
     
  8. Bunkhouse Buck

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    Since the benefits of defragging are marginal (at best), most new storage media really doesn't need any defragging.
     
  9. Long View

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    The Real benefit of UD2008 comes not from the defraging but rather from the ability to reduce the number of active files in play. Using UD2008 with C: OS and programs allows me to have the files used most often placed at the faster outer edge and the files rarely used archived to the middle.

    As to ErikAlbert's wish - the answer is already here with SSD. On one of my machines I run OS and programs from a small 30 gb SSD and data from a 1TB drive - using UD2008 only on the data drive
     
  10. DOSawaits

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    Actually, since all modern harddrives consist of multiple platters, what you (or any defrag program) still "considers" a "fast area" could actually be the inner (slowest) part of any platter in the chain, thus, only the harddisk electronics know "where" the outer tracks on each platter are, there's no soft way to know the exact start- and end-location of each platter, making defragging close to worthless, and that explains why many defragmentations result in an actually slower responding system.
     
  11. mantra

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    i have lot of setting
    but if i upgrade to the new version with boot defrag
    i lose my setting
    is there a tip to import these setting i mean UDefrag.xml
     
  12. Long View

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    That is very interesting and quite a claim. Do you have a source to support this ?
     
  13. EASTER

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    VERY NICE SCREEN SHOT :thumb:

    What in your opinion would be the best optimizrd repositioning for MAXIMUM PERFORMANCE! if i might ask.

    I done a disk boot defrag with this not knowing much and my performance really accellerated!!!

    EASTER
     
  14. mantra

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    have ultimatedefrag command lines?
     
  15. mantra

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    may i ask if ultimate defrag is able to defrag the registy files (they are sure in use)

    in the boot disk there is not option to defrag the registry files
     
  16. Peter2150

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    It defrags the file, as a file, but does not internally defrag the registry
     
  17. Peter2150

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    Easter,

    Best performance is having files at the outer edge of the disk. Whether or not to put stuff in the archive position at the center of the disk depends. I've noticed doing that does slow down Disk Imaging a bit. I don't use the archive as my disks are less then 10% full. So it doesn't make sense.

    Pete
     
  18. mantra

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    yes i got it
    but such files are locked because they are in use
     
  19. Peter2150

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    A lot of the system files are in use. But since they all use the windows api for defragging it isn't problem.
     
  20. Long View

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    I have found that using the archive speeds up the defrag process.
    Most of my C: WinXP and programs is archived and never moves - with past days used set to 30 days for performance and 31 for archive. My feeling is that no matter what size the disk it makes sense to archive data not used. Now if the data not used keeps changing, that would be another matter. With Windows Xp many files are only ever used once and can safely be archived - making a much smaller actual OS
     
  21. Peter2150

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    The other thing I found is if I use the archive, the system will tend to stick new files near it which means on the inner part of the disk. By not using it new files are written near the outer part with all the other data. Don't know why, but I've observed this.

    Note, as I said this works well for me as my disks are 90-95% empty. With a lot more on the disk, it wouldn't work as well
     
  22. mantra

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    to me
    it is not able to defrag or move
    Code:
    C:\$Boot
    ud2008 marks like locked

    from Puran Defrag
    http://www.puransoftware.com/Puran-Defrag.html

     
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  23. EASTER

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    Thanks Pete

    I was referring to the newest $MFT feature of UD and i moved the slider to the left and got in return some pretty impressive results (while biting nails). I would like to find the absolute best $MFT repositioning to achieve the best optimization possible with this new & welcome feature but am also very aware of the potential risk if you make a wrong turn of that setting, thats why i asked and was wondering if you've discovered your own advantages with it.

    Thanks EASTER
     
  24. mantra

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    why should be a risk?
    it could be a risk only if your mft is corrupted
     
  25. EASTER

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    Understood and thanks kindly for your confirmation. Puts my concerns finally to rest per the $MFT.


    EASTER
     
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