Hi guys, so nice you don't make it always so difficult that i can seem at least a little smart knowing some answers in the discussions And i don't even eat smarties, prefering M&Ms! I doubted at the link as well, altering it or not, as this site's TOS is not to allow any link to real warez and trojans and thus i left that part the responsibility of the board owner. But i had in the meantime downloaded the thing to be able to do the testing you did, but i did not unzip it as it was detected as it was already, like Paul's screenshot. Gradually i am building my own test zoo from the nasties that come to my system and some i forwarded to the DCS lab and keep a copy. Very seldom i would download a sample myself, although it is recommended when we run into a nasty to keep a zipped copy of it just in case and we might like to submit a sample to the DCS lab. On the DiamondCs site are some samples, like i remember a test file in the Mirclean script and some more. If you get Gibson's Leaktest it will be detected as a demo, etc. I do in between some online scan when i think of it, at housecall, panda or bitdefender, just as all have other methods of detection and i know of course my test zoo and don't allow them to clean that valuable collection out. I know the feeling of never detecting a thing so i ever went to housecall for an online scan my first days of learning some about security and was shocked about the many finds, including CIH which mcafee had not found at all. So byebye m.a. Nice to beta test several to see what suits you best. Without WormGuard and TDS i would not be so confident and quiet at all i suppose. Convinced TDS is doing it's job? And it's getting even better soon!