Trilightzone.org, are they any good?

Discussion in 'privacy technology' started by zero2008, Jan 10, 2010.

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  1. zero2008

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    I'm thinking about buying access to their SSH Privacy Tunnel specifically their Hong Kong server. Are they a legit company? How's the speed of their server? Thanks.
     
  2. caspian

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    Thanks for the info. I guess I should've clarified a little bit about what I need the service for, I'm using it to access Chinese IP only services (video streaming, etc), I'm not concerned about the lack of security of SSH tunnel. I only need it to fool the website into thinking I'm from HK and allows me to connect. That's it. I don't need to hide my transfers from my ISP.

    In one of the threads it mentions Trilightzone is the same as Privacy.li, however, it seems like Privacy.li is out of business and I'm not able to find any reviews for them. What were the problems with there service?
     
  4. oldymin

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    Don't worry, you can ignore caspian and his xerobank clones :) They're trying to discredit all services and hunt on newbies especially trying to sell their crappy unsupportive service.

    Just search type on google: +xerobank +metropipe
    You'll get all the answers you need to avoid them like the plague !

    Btw, you could consider Tor (tor.eff.org for more info) which will do just as most commercial providers.
     
  5. whitedragon551

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    I believe Xerobank offers a free option for you thats far more secure.
     
  6. Sheldon7

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    Oldymin, seems you have a chip on your shoulder, most of your posts are defamtory.

    I did google Xerobank, extensively before I bought their service. Their reputation is solid, and the product has been great. I like to comment on this because it's one of the few cutting edge technologies that irrefutably works for me, exactly as the company promoting their product says it will.
     
  7. JokersWild

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    Good advice, Caspian. Personally, I'd avoid Trilightzone like the Plague.

    oldymin, your response had absolutely nothing to do with the original query.

    You used the question as a springboard to launch your old, tired, worn out, anti-Xerobank agenda.

    You're certainly entitled to whatever opinion you hold, but what a shame.

    The only shred of potentially helpful advice was your suggestion of the use of Tor. Nice, as long as one willing to put up with ridiculously slow speeds.
     
  8. zero2008

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    I also considered using Xerobank, but they are too expensive. I understand they use better security, but I don't need all the extra security. Even if my ISP spy on me, they'll just see me streaming some Chinese movie and tv shows. Xerobank's Shadow VPN doesn't offer a server in China, otherwise I would go with a trusted name too.
     
  9. hierophant

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    FMHBJ, I just spent two hours googling this ~Possibly offensive phrase removed~ match. There's an amazing story there, I suspect, if anyone would ever be willing to tell it.

    Anyway, what I'm left with is that Steve Topletz is apparently a real person with a good reputation. WTF, he has a LinkedIn page and a Twitter account. The fact that he's staked his reputation on XeroBank is good enough for me.

    Also, BTW, there's no free lunch. If you want good anonymity, don't expect it to be free.
     
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    I couldn't have said it better myself, Hierophant. And he also has known associations with human rights groups like Hactivismo and Cult of the Dead Cow. That weighs heavy with me. I would rather do business with people of a more enlightened consciousness.
     
  11. oldymin

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    I think it is an insult to the wilderssecurity community to think people believe you or any of the clones here which always popup whenever some one has legit critics about xerobank and it's vague ties to the fbi for example ...

    Always the same names show up, it's so obvious :)

    But i think Genady Prishnikov summarizes the so called "hactivismo" and other places which are just PR tools used by Steve.

    Read the second post:

    https://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=261866
     
  12. zero2008

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    I tried Tor, it's too slow for even web browsing, definitely way too slow for video streaming.

    I'm not interested in XB because their service costs too much and I don't need a multip-hop service, so let's get back on topic about Trilightzone or Privacy.li. I read some reviews on another VPN review site, they are pretty positive about Trilightzone, but there wasn't any reviews for Privacy.li.
     
  13. oldymin

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    trilightzone.org has a decent service, i find quite some good reviews about them. but there is more to choose from, you could also look into strongvpn (strongvpn.com) as they have also Hong Kong servers and pretty good reviews too. Perfect-privacy.com is also good but might be a bit expensive for your budget i think.

    Tor is a beautiful system but yes, the speeds are not great :(
     
  14. snowdrift

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    Tor is too slow and other VPN services may be monitored. XeroBank is not monitored and offers quality, multi-hop connections at a good price.
     
  15. oldymin

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    Xerobank not monitored ? How do you know ? Any proof ? You are aware that Tor is far more a better choice instead of xerobank which can be forced to install monitoring devices on each entry - middle - exit server (hardware and software before anything happens with the stream), especially since the person running it lives in the U.S ? Mapping the infrastructure is easy (they or whoever signup as clients and get all the data they need to find the entry servers ... from there it's just release the bloodhounds babeh), subpoena is also easy considering most exit nodes are in the U.S and those outside are in countries which are not north korea or iran which tend to refuse :)

    Any service can be monitored, be it with a gun to the head or that of their datacenter. Most people who have something that bad to hide won't even touch the internet ;)

    I hope one day we can drop all the spamvertising here and do decent discussions.
     
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    You ask for proof of another poster, but fail to provide concrete proof of what your claiming.

    You do realize that you also used the wrong word. Spamvertising is defined as:

     
  17. hierophant

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    Ties to the FBI? That's new. What's your evidence for that?

    Yeah, what can I say. I've been avoiding work. You'll miss me when I'm gone.

    Steve has certainly been promoting XeroBank for a few years. That's obviously been part of his job, and that's cool. And in doing so, he's certainly relied on his connections and reputation. However, I don't see that as bad. Indeed, it helps ensure that he and XeroBank are subject to peer review. I presume that real problems would surface here pretty quickly, for example.
     
  18. Nebulus

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    This is an interesting, but pointless discussion. It is impossible to have a guarantee that any VPN/anonymity network is not monitored. People are saying that you should use the X network because "somebody swears it does what is says without being monitored" or that you shouldn't use the Y network, because is "bad". But usually nobody can actually show any proof to support them. For instance:
    or
    or, from the other side:
    Look closely at many of the posts on the anonymity subject, and you will find this type of talk over and over again. None of it is really useful in deciding what kind of service to use, but only to make an idea about some of the user's experience. Asking for any kind of proof will probably solve nothing, because there is no proof :) There is only trust. Some people trust X and will use it, some people trust Y and they will use it. Neither of them have any proof that X or Y are good or bad.
     
  19. snowdrift

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    Your appeals to logic are futile! Bring on the clowns!

    Where is Genady, my steppe-loving babushka boy?

    Bread and circuses!
     
  20. hierophant

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    That's all too true. Proving negatives is typically impossible.

    Although I'm interested in recommendations, I frequent this and other forums primarily looking for verified problems, both with various approaches and with particular service providers.

    For example, I believe that I've posted very troubling information about Anonymizer.com -- that it's now owned by Abraxis, a well-known CIA contractor. Given that no one here has offered contrary information, or even dismissed my post as paranoid blathering, I see no reason to trust that anonymity provider.

    Right. One must trust, in some sense, every component -- software, its developers and users, system design and management, and so on. And there are trade-offs. Although integrated systems such as Trilightzone.org or XeroBank.com may be well designed, one must trust those who run them. Conversely, although one might combine multiple VPN services in various ways, striving to avoid trusting anyone, one must then trust one's design.

    There are a few documented failures. For example, E-Gold went down, and cooperated with the FBI, resulting in the prosecution of some of its customers. That is true, yes?

    What other examples, with documentation, can y'all provide? Are there any ex cons here with stories to tell?
     
  21. oldymin

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    Well, i can see good points in the above. At the end it boils down to trust actually. Especially anonymizer.

    As for ex-cons with stories, i think securstar director Hafner might be a good example. He was put in jail for "phreaking" about a decade ago i believe. He was exploiting some phonelines/system for $$$ etc .. But although most of his customers don't know about this it's still doesn't mean people shouldn't use his products.

    PS: i do have to note there are some issues with the way truecrypt and drivecrypt (from securstar) started, conflicts about copying/stealing code etc.
     
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    As a Xerobank customer also, I feel reasonably secure when using Xerobank. I think, technologically, it appears to offer what it states.

    However, there are some issues where I feel it is guilty of blatant untruths, and I don't think it would stand the test of supply of goods and services legislation in some jurisdictions. The welcome emails tells you that you now have encrypted storage (which you don't), and the xB website advertises 24/7 amongst other things. Neither of these exist, indeed the lack of support frustrates (and slightly worries) me more, day by day. When Steve does pop up, his replies to your questions/emails can be terse at best. It makes you feel more of a nuisance as opposed to a customer. I think he seems to forget that the end user is paying $35 a month.

    Despite these issues however, I am still a Xerobank user and that is where my loyalties will lie. Should a realistic alternative that offers the same service pop up however, then I might be likely to jump ship. Although I doubt such a service will magically appear.....
     
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    Thanks Oldyman. I love you too.:-*
     
  24. JokersWild

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    nobleloard, I agree.

    I'm a Xerobank customer as well.

    And I'm quite satisfied.

    On the face of it, it is a well designed, secure network, and for general privacy an anonymity I do feel safe.

    Having said that, Support is wildly inconsistent ranging from knowledgeable, accurate and enthusiastic, to totally non-existent, as it is currently. Sad to say, but it's true. Who knows where Steve Topletz is, and what he's up to, but clearly, if he doesn't respond to Support issues, there is no one else. At $35 per month, that's almost as expensive as my cable service. I expect more. And Support just isn't there.

    Steve will probably fly back to the scene, fresh from a trip to the Planet Rael, in possession of a new cryptography technology unbreakable by human technology and available only to Xerobank customers, and all this will be quickly forgotten.

    But as it stands today, there is no Support. And that is just not acceptable.

    Xerobank is an excellent service. But things could be better...
     
  25. hierophant

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    I get what you're saying. I'm also tempted to complain, sometimes. However, I suspect that individual customers may essentially be nuisances to Steve. Unless XeroBank has major benefactors, it'd probably need at least tens of thousands of individual customers to pay its bills and support Steve. Unless XeroBank is just one of Steve's hobbies, there must be corporate clients. Based on what I've read, I suspect that XeroBank for individuals is essentially a pro bono service. And hey, what do I know?

    I've been looking, actually, so that I can have multiple online identities that aren't all tied to the same anonymity provider. And what I've found isn't promising. StrongVPN is a US company, so it's out. Secure-Tunnel doesn't accept anonymous payments, so it's out too.

    Although Perfect Privacy does accept Liberty Reserve and WebMoney, getting money anonymously into either appears nontrivial. In contrast, paying for XeroBank via DalPay is easy. However, I do appreciate that I need to trust XeroBank's promise that it doesn't correlate access accounts to payment information from DalPay.

    Suggestions, anyone?
     
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