Tim Cook: A Message to Our Customers

Discussion in 'privacy general' started by mirimir, Feb 17, 2016.

  1. hawki

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    FWIW: [probably nothing] :According to a report in tonight's Washigton Post:

    "..an "official familiar with the process" is reported to have stated that "The bureau was aware of this method early on and concluded that it wouldn’t work, for technical reasons, ..., for instance, that removing the memory chip, which is glued to the circuit board, would be difficult to do without damaging the data."

    It does not say who the "official" is but even if the statement is accurate that "official" could have been a Supervisor at The Air and Space Museum. Smoke. Highly unlikely the FBI would at this point publicly disclose any clues respecting the method it has chosen to test or not to test.

    Perhaps Cook threw Comey a bone in exchange for having someone make that statement. Looking more like a game of Cat and Mouse between Comey and Cook everyday, but I guess it always was. " Cook to Comey: "OK. If you say the NANO method won't work we will help you with The NANO Method."

    "The FBI is cautiously testing a way to get into the San Bernardino iPhone..."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/the-fbi-is-testing-a-code-based-way-to-get-into-the-san-bernardino-iphone/2016/03/24/bc79cd14-f1dc-11e5-a61f-e9c95c06edca_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_fbi-325pm:homepage/story
     
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  3. hawki

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    Not sure who looks worse in this.

    The FBI for lacking the in-house expertise to crack the phone or Apple for having produced a crackable "secure" phone.

    Bad news for encryption/privacy advocates and some iPhone owners. Hopefully the FBI will have obtained some info that will reduce the chances of another mass murder.

    NB:It is highly unlikely that this is my tin foil hat Screw Tim Cook's Pooch scenario playing out. Highly unlikely that the FBI would commit perjury by saying they cracked the phone if that was not true.

    Kudos to the phone breaker. Perhaps Apple will now be less arrogant and offer rewards to those who find vulnerabilities in its products.
     
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    Here what's happened. Cook shouts no to *** & that phone is uncrackable.
    isheep go back to sleep.

    *** announces cracked it = truth + mollifying hawks & nationalists.
     
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    This could play out in Apples favor. Just wait for the new iphone 7 for all the isheep with now "uncrackable encryption" to prompt all those with older devices to upgrade. Repeat the same process every few years.
     
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    Every few years, more like every few months.
     
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    FBI tells local police it will help unlock iPhones when possible
    http://www.zdnet.com/article/fbi-tells-local-police-it-will-help-unlock-iphones-when-possible/
     
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    Apple expects to plug security breach after FBI breaks into San Bernardino shooter’s iPhone
    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/app...i-breaks-into-san-bernardino-shooters-iphone/
     
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    I have read that devices like this exist and many are in the hands of law enforcement. Many of them can open the phone but everything stored on the phone gets wiped. The article on Softpedia does not mention if the device they site leaves everything in tact or not. The FBI would have wanted guarantees that the data would still be available. Break end enter was not their only objective.

    Not all the situations with locked Iphones are associated with law enforcement. There is a man in France who pleaded with Apple to open his 13 year old son's Iphone so he could retrieve the pictures stored on it. His son died of cancer at 13. The photos had been taken in the last 2 years of his life. Apple declined. The father was told that any forcing products would undoubtedly erase the photos.
     
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    The iShepherd has to assure the iSheep that nothing, absolutely nothing will threaten their security.
     
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    So, just to be clear are we both hating/mocking the TLAs for wanting to violate consumer privacy and the consumers for wanting to believe that they in fact have privacy?
     
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    I personally am commenting only on the isheep believing not just wanting to believe they have privacy.
     
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    - Privacy is about keeping something you do or something you own from public attention
    - Security is protection from a threat or some danger

    When you use a product from a manufacturer you have a certain expectation that what you put on that product is your personal property. Manufacturers have access to what you store on your phone and they collect usage information. TLAs collect information on your digital habits for their own purposes too. Privacy is becoming less and less under the control of the user.

    We seek out security features and/or install security products to protect the data from being damaged or destroyed. There is no panacea.

    Overall, no matter the outcome (re: the topic of this thread), the Isheep are delusional.

    Encryption is a privacy tool. At the end of this year we should know if it will tip the balance back to the user, or not.
     
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    Yeah right!

    I do know there are a ton of IPhone 6X phones in LE evidence rooms around the country. I hope there is a way to SOUND OFF if any of those start mysteriously getting opened. We'll have our answer shortly because likely the next major "terrorist activity" will be with someone carrying a newer phone. Especially now that they know the older ones can be opened fairly quickly.

    You won't fool the masses twice with the IPhones. If one of the 6's gets opened the jig is up and Apple's brand is no more on this issue!
     
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    I'll go farther no matter what is publicly declared. Corps. & all the ***'s are hand in glove [in close collusion or association] in private.
     
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    FBI paid over $1 million for iPhone hack
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...or-Apple-iPhone-hack/articleshow/51934857.cms
     
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    "More than I will make in the remainder of this job, which is seven years and four months, for sure. But it was, in my view, worth it," Comey said.
     
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    Is anyone really surprised by this?

    How can Apple be so inept and apparently incapable of designing a secure platform? If the attackers are soldering in new chips or some similar extreme counter-measure so be it. But if its simple software that can break these then shame on them ------ in a big way!! Not rocket science here; within a few years if not sooner this method of compromise will be in the hands of official bad guys, instead of bad guys that are officials. LOL!!
     
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    With Edward & others pulling the curtains open. How can anyone believe there's an adversarial relationship here?
     
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