Why dont we, just as a sidenote, on the side, to the normal workings of this forum, why dont we use encryption, and every now and a few thens, encrypt a message with PGP conventional encryption (requiring a simple password) and the password to that encryption is the name of a security product. for example "system safety monitor" or "antivir" obsiously withought the quotes, and keep it all lowercase... First person to copy and paste the message, along with the password that encrypted it, wins. What do you win? You win first place, thats what you win! so then start another one yourself... Who knows what will happen. It would be a nice interlude to the posting, when you are bored, you can have a crack at guessing a password to something.