TH/GAV Deal Off

Discussion in 'other anti-trojan software' started by Douglas, Jul 22, 2003.

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  1. Douglas

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  2. Elvis

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    If ever was one, this is a mess for sure. From a legal point of view, those who received a promise in regard to this deal no doubt can claim - and get compensation in a court of law.

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  3. controler

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    I am happy GAV is staying put for now. I didn't like the fact it was being disscontinued or and merged with TH
    Now will it be further developed?

    con
     
  4. Wox

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    GAV will not be further developed unfortunately, no.
     
  5. Jooske

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    Hm, anybody knows which company hired him?
    I thought because of the cooperation TH <> GAV and the gift of all the GAV stuff to TH it could have been with TH, as which developer would use the so completely different product beside or integrated in another existing one without the developer of it? Integration will mean complete new development of the existing TH too!
    Did i understand the GAV forum is now mostly about TH and general security?
    And why the fear for AH? Can we look forward to a TH <> A2 ?
    Many questions.
    Hope the donators will get something good for their money anyway.
    Sad case.
     
  6. the Tester

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    I'm curious like Jooske is.
    Her first question is one that I am wondering about myself.
    Does anyone know which company hired Michael?

    As far as the deal that is "off" with TH...
    It makes me wonder what will ultimately happen with the GAV program?
    I'm not talking about right now.
    A program like that and the development of it could be a factor in the future?
    Just an idle thought....
     
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    Geeeeeeeeeeeee! Guess I'm a little upset, but life is full of surprises I suppose.
     
  8. Dan Perez

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    If I might interject a note of caution,

    As the parallel DLSR thread points out, we have only heard from one side of the equation on this so it may be premature to believe all will be as stated. It may be that Magnus is upset (perhaps understandably) with the pace with which things are going or any number of other possibilities. I mean no disrespect to Magnus but also I think we might give Mike some benefit of the doubt until things become more clear.

    Just my two cents... o_O
     
  9. Paul Wilders

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    ...adding to Dan''s correct comment:

    It's of no concern to this board as of what has happened in regard to Michael Gomes, his whereabouts and other - essentialy private - issues. Please let us refrain from hearsay and/or rumors and gossip - no offense ;)

    regards.

    paul
     
  10. Primrose

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    Hi Paul,

    You have the last name wrong...PM me if you wish...have a question for you. Did you donate to the GAV project via paypalo_O

    ;)


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  11. Paul Wilders

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    John,

    If so: fooled by the person himself :rolleyes:

    I will - nope; didn't need to donate ;)

    regards.

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  12. blablabla

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    >Hm, anybody knows which company hired him?

    H+BEDV. Their product is called AntiVir and is available in a freeware version called AntiVir Personal Edition (AVPE).

    >And why the fear for AH? Can we look forward to a TH <> A2 ?

    No ... but Magnus is permitted to use the a² unpacking engine for runtime packers and crypters. Thats all. I offered Magnus this as a second option if Michael won't give him the source.

    >Hope the donators will get something good for their money anyway.

    I guess they will get a new experience ... . But hopefully they won't stop to donate to software developers to help them to keep up their good work. There are many "good" examples - SpyBot Search&Destroy for example.

    Yes I know I am not allowed to post blablabla ... feel free to delete this post *lol*. Don't care ...

    Have a nice time,
    Andreas Haak
     
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    Hi Andreas,
    thanks for dropping by and bring some light in the situation.
    The AntiVir was named the best choice for free AV products several months ago in the dutch PCMagazine, so not bad to work there.
    One does wonder though if a products is no longer developed and people seemed to work together on a project etc etc etc.
    Anyway wishing all coders good luck in their developments. For the donators i do hope there will be some solution. Let's look forward to the products.
     
  14. devil

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    @Dan Perez

    Sure..right. It would be nice to hear something from the other side (Michael). But it seems he won't answer. We saw him in several boards reading all this and he didn't reply, not even in the former GAV Forum. So, for me that is answer enough. Sad. but true....
     
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    I hope this don't get anyone upset. :) I feel that he was never going to give a free TH license to anyone who donated to GAV. I didn't donate yet, I was just getting ready to until I got a PM from someone that GAV was becoming abandonware (not sure if you want tot call it that but a friend of mine did so I'll use it for this post).
     
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    Sad story all together. Thought the program had most certainly potential and still needed lot of building on it, but it sure has very nice invents.
    Notageek, how is all your trying and shopping around going, didn't read you about it for some time?
     
  17. Mr.Blaze

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    :'(I personaly loved the program alot of hard work went in to it

    all are dreams and heart went in to it and lots of hard work mainly on michales part.

    Lot of newbie ideals went into it from every one.

    we all came up with ideals and michale made it happend.

    I remember asking michale if he could include an unpacker for winrar and win ace archive files and michale next few days made an unpacker that did all that and more.

    thats just the kinda guy he was.

    his skills are unlike anything i ever seen.

    id ask for something to be added and just like that he made it happend.

    later he included porn dialer and ram read out he get are wish list and make it happend.

    i love michale for that even when i got band from the gav bord i still was hopeing gav would make it big.

    you know im no longher mad no more with frinds like fan j and low water telling me just let it go these things happend i have learn to let go.

    i no longher wish any of them ill will

    but you know what im really hurt about i donated money to gav for services rendered so did alot of contributers for updates and help and will they all got a trojan hunter for the discontinued gav

    all except me but thats ok i dont want a trojan hunter but would i would like at least is the very last updated gav and the final 5.0 gav engine that should had been realeased to the contributers

    i dont want a trojan hunter i just want last gav.

    i just want what i payed for the last gav
     
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    Not true Blaze..the donators got nothing except the pleasure of working on the GAV project..that is what this thread is about there is no free TH for them.

    The deal is off.

    How is your juno these days..still on your first 6 months ?
     
  19. Mr.Blaze

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    juno good for 10 bucks a month better then aol you sound like udo lol reminding me of that lol

    thats not true about the pleasure of just working on gav michale made lots of promises to donators for services rendered.

    and i know thers alot of unhappy people there lol

    if i remember corectly donotors were to recive updates rtm and pop 3 and the latest builds.

    michale admited on i belive cable forum that there was one last engine update and huge defintions up date that never saw the light of day.

    instead was supose to be given to trojan hunter for licenses for current donators so they dont feel jacked.

    now they dont get either thats sad i just went to the link and read all about it

    that sucks donators were promised something for money just cause it called donations its still was for a service.

    this could easly become a legal issue or lawsuit yuck

    donators did pay for a service added extra features

    but the latest build never saw the light of day even though it was completed.

    Gav still best software

    id like to get ahold of the very last build and id be happy and that would be the end of that.

    i like mike but when you read at that trojan hunter bord what has happend it not cool

    and if the new company uses gav tech i think it can easly be heald acountable as well

    not sure but i read a similar case that went to trial.

    anyhow i dont think this is the end i see a storm comeing and it aint perty.

    im hopeing im wrong and all goes well for x gav team and contributers
     
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    Blaze, i can imagine you and other donators feel bad and the more was donated the badder (sorry, worse) the feeling.
    Is it that you want the last version as it was there for reasons of nostalgia even though it doesn't get updates anymore, or did it have special functions included you don't have in other programs and you want so much?
    Why did you uninstall it then in the first place?
    Don't you have the last installation d/l anymore?
    It's never good to have an AV/AT on your system which doesn't get updated anymore as it can give a false sense of security.
    Somebody or maybe Michael himself can help you on a copy if you really want. But most people uninstalled it completely as was advised.
    If you mean you want the upgrades which were promissed and not released for the world, it seems you have to wait till Michael retires or finds other reasons to continue building. But i could imagine his new employer won't let him do so for understandable reasons.
    You could ask him of course to have all that in the free product he might be related with at his new employer, so it would be the same stuff under another name.
    Maybe you're lucky (and others with you)
    Anyway Blaze, your donations were not all lost, as the GAV family (and others) have taken care of you too.
    And like Primrose said: the good experience of building and testing all together!
     
  21. Primrose

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    More that 40,000 people download and ran the free beta GAV from servers on a domain name that was not owned by the developer. Nor did he ever pay for that expense or anyone who ever donated to the Beta Project.

    That development has terminated. People are still downloading some phase of that Beta program from servers never authorized by the developer in some form or the other. There is no way for them to update this program.

    Approx. 150 people did donate and of that group about half expressed their interest in a free TH license offered to them by the developer of GAV. The offer was in fact conditional since he did not own TH. The owner of TH has made a statement to tell that group the deal is off.

    :)

    In reality there was no deal for the contributor, until a business transaction occurred between those two developer. One got tired of waiting for that to happen.




    Since no one really knew the exact nature of that business transaction except those two parties, when it became evident that it was all on good faith there was no immediate solution.

    The developer of TH is no longer seeking a solution. He made an annoucment to that effect.


    There is no last versions of GAV, other than that which was available from the servers up until the time it was announced that the project was over.
     
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    Hi Jooske, I'm using the trial version of TH right now. After my 30 days are up it's time for me to pick an AT. I would love to try TDS4 before I buy an AT.

    Now on to the subject of the post. I think none of this would be going on if Michael didn't say he was going to give away a TH license to people that donate to the GAV project. I can understand why people are mad. Maybe some of them people that donated to GAV don't have an AT and they would love to get an AT for $10. Plus it's the fact that he pretty much promised people something and they get nothing. But I'm not going to bash Michael for this. I think we need to hear from him on this subject]
     
  23. Mr.Blaze

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    No no no lol not true? :doubt:

    Primrose Posted on: Today at 04:05:56am
    Actually that was a good thing if i remember correctly there was some serious bandwidth theft going on as every one was linking to Gav site With out Michael's permission.

    Primrose
    That was actually a good thing the sad part was it came to late would had save Gav lots of money if every web master had loaded Gav on to there web site like they should have from the beginning instead of stealing mikes bandwidth.

    it is sad if you put gladiator antiviruse in google and you click on the links almost all up-link from mikes server at gav.

    i didn't like that at all that was wrong of those webmasters to steal all that costly bandwidth

    another contributor to Gav do-wen fall as it cost gav lots of money

    enough so much so one month that the bill for the bandwidth was enough to buy a small car.

    If we had have more web masters do the right thing and upload the latest build from there owen websites i truly believe gav would had lasted longer.

    Primrose
    Yup i believe you are correct and even to this day they still like the software so much so that you can find one of the finale builds from many websites like this one lol
    ftp://ftp.info.abril.com.br/gladiator-setup.exe Gladiator anti virus v413 Beta Build

    :cool: just one of my many many lol "did i mention many?" lots more links to Gav software enjoy lol.

    Primrose
    Are you referring to this statement which in any court of law could be used as a legal binding contract on Mikes part?

    michale
    Primrose
    I'm perty sure I'm taking this out of context the wrong way but I'm hoping your not saying that there was no legal contract between mike and the contributor donators for gav.

    I'm sure I'm miss reading that and not understanding it correctly.


    Because there was a deal for services rendered from mike for the following

    Extra features
    RTM ,scheduling,RTP and eventually pop 3

    Services
    All updates and future builds of gav including engine,os,primary Trojan Signature Database and basically anything to do with gav software.

    Other services
    help and technical support

    All those were promised to donators for contributing in exchange for money.

    Primrose
    :'( thats sad because that puts mike in a big legal mess look not to mention all those beta testers and contributors perty much got lied to if thats the case look.

    Mike
    :'( thats just there no words for it

    The last full set up.exe that was uploaded to be downloaded was Gladiator antiviruse v4.1.3 beta build

    with interface version 413 engine 348 gavos1.0 pattern version 156 daily pattern 01/06/2003

    so call last reported gav updates are as follow

    Gladiator Anti 4.1.5 Beta build
    Interface: 4.1.5. Engine: 3.4.8. Pattern: 1.5.8. Daily Pattern: 23.06.2.0.03

    How ever by Mikes very owen admissions there is a later update that never saw the light of day.
    http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7226150~root=security,1~mode=flat


    Mike
    I don't know about you but it looks to me like the last gav was indeed made but never released at all

    it probably would look something like this

    Gladiator AntiVirus 4.1.5 Beta build
    Interface: 4.1.5. Engine: 5.0 Pattern: 1.6.0. Daily Pattern: 25.06.2.0.03

    you know it one thing to get jacked another thing to be lied to but don't you think if gav is dead and theres no consumpation to the donators and there dreams are dead that they should at least at the very least get the final product of what they were working so hard for not to mention the money they shelled out for?

    not to mention the sad attempt to do a bait and switch av for an at lol.

    i dunno maybe its just me i could be the only one that feels that way.

    maybe i believe that even as abandon ware gav is still great software to have around.

    Quote from: Jooske on July 23, 2003, 02:44:22 PM
    Simply put gav was the best freeware software of its kind ever built.

    lots of hard work came from the beta testers the contributors,not to mention the mods and admins not to mention the hard work the mods went threw puting together a gav 4.0 manual.

    yet algain mike had let dowen the mods and admins.

    i think they try to make a gav manueal 3 times and because mike didnt care or was just to busy it went out the door and in the trash.

    opps im sorry geting off the subject here.

    jooskey go in to pauls free tool section and in the av section you will see a bunch of abandon av's or some that arnt but never really get updated.

    if im willing to install ants or trojan check wouldnt i want Gav which is more updated then most stuff in the free section here at wilders lol?

    Quote from: Jooske on July 23, 2003, 02:44:22 PM
    will when you pay for something dont you want what you payed for?

    as for his new employer i see some legal issues here algaints the company if it uses gav technoligy i dont know the details but im perty sure its illigal to sale something walk out on people and to give a product thats supose to be to those that had contribute to some company ?

    its like some company claiming chapter 5 to avoid its obligations switchs names and starts anew hella illigal

    some countrys have international treatys laws that apply here might be subject there like bait and switch lemon law piracy ,fraud and so forth im no lawyer but i seen stuff like this befor and it gets real ugly i hope it never comes to that would suck.

    if you notice most companys that hire people like mike or buy out other companys usealy offer extended services or offer one of there products.

    reason for this is to avoid legal law suits and issues that may cause the company to go to court.

    for example norton buying out roxio go back its not a coincdence norton supplys and takes over the clientel list

    common practice for a smooth sale plus they pick up more clients money money lol money.

    if mikes new employer starts puting gav technoligy in his software it could get really ugly.
     
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    A couple of definitions, which I kept in mind when I "donated". Emphasis added by me. :D

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    do·na·tion [ do náysh’n ] (plural do·na·tions)

    noun

    1. gift or contribution: a gift or contribution, especially a sum of money given to a charity
    "All donations will be gratefully accepted."

    2. act of giving: the act of giving something, especially money to a charity

    [15th century. Via French from the Latin stem donation- , from, ultimately, Latin donare “to give,” from donum “gift.”]

    gift

    noun

    1. Something that is bestowed voluntarily and without compensation.
    2. The act, right, or power of giving.
    A talent, endowment, aptitude, or inclination.
    tr.v. gift·ed, gift·ing, gifts
     
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    All updates and future builds of gav including engine,os,primary Trojan Signature Database and basically anything to do with gav software.




    There are no more updates or future builds...It is just that simple. The rest of it I will leave to you.
     
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