Testing bodies AV‐Comparatives, AV‐TEST and Virus Bulletin comment on allegations of inappropriate

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  1. FleischmannTV

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    https://www.facebook.com/avtestorg/posts/952718894780899

     
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    Qihoo, lets see how GakunGak will defend this dirty company.
     
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    this doesn't make sense,in the other thread AV-C stated that all the products tested were downloaded from the companies web sites as they would be by any normal user,in the comment in the link in the 1st post here it states the versions "submitted" for testing?so how does it actually work do the vendors supply directly the testing labs or do they acquire them as any normal user would?
     
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    This vindicates the commentary of Frank the Perv, who persistently warned about the trustworthiness, or lack thereof, of Qihoo. Not only can Qihoo not be trusted in their domestic market, but have now shown their international offerings can't be either.
     
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    Bad news for Quihoo. Although I don't judge AV software by their test results, cheating on those tests will surely show them in bad light. They will probably loose more than they could have gain from this.
     
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    I will leave and uninstall 360 Total after this news ... :/ i already had my doubts about privacy few weeks ago with 360 and now again ,this is not good ...
     
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    This makes no sense on the part of Quihoo, unless it's Bitdefender License is limited to certain countries or requires that it not be the sole AV engine in the product.
     
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    IBK:
    https://www.wilderssecurity.com/thre...by-av-comparatives.375599/page-4#post-2486271
     
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    These "labs" are now exposed as the fools they really are, exposed by themselves as dolts who are as gullible as a 14 yo girl. All of their past results are now in question. Ask yourself why they offer zero financial transparency.
     
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    You rang? [Lurch's voice] :)

    I am all for truth and transparency wide open, ~ Removed Off Topic Political Remarks ~!

    So, I'd like a clarification in the following:

    Again, I am not defending Qihoo this time. I do still believe in their ability to detect/counter threats, due to technology superiority and number of sensors worldwide.
    What happened here cannot be defended, and I wont.
    BUT!!!
    Explanation that I seek I bolded and underlined. Similar flags, similar modifications, displaying several test labs and behaving differently [preparing the product to recognize virtual/real environment and detection of testing environment], and yet both competitors, known for their attacks against Qihoo, passed and retained certification.
    Summary:
    1: Qihoo get's accused of cheating by Baidu and Tencent
    2: AV Comparatives gets into "investigation", collaborates with other testing bodies
    3: They ask Qihoo for explanation, they give, and also give out information into those two basically doing the same thing
    4: They confirm both Baidu and Tencent having modifications as well
    5: All is well, because $$$ from both
    6: Destroy Qihoo's reputation internationally
    7: Gain users from those not trusting Qihoo anymore
    8: Less than 1% leaves Qihoo, those relaying on tests from organizations depending on money :)

    This reminds me of Comodo back in the day, when it used to be the same situation.
    https://www.melih.com/2011/11/27/av...-and-financial-deals-with-anti-virus-vendors/
    https://www.melih.com/2011/11/29/av...cial-deals-with-anti-virus-vendors-continued/
    https://www.melih.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/av-comparativesdenyingexistence.png

    I'd like to see their last two audit reports [both internal and external], Working Procedures and certification body which issued ISO 9001:2008.

    After that, I'd like to hear Qihoo's side on this.

    AFTER ALL THAT, I'd make my own conclusion.

    P.S. Until this matter is resolved, I am still happily using Qihoo and their products and will continue to do so, and also provide help and support when I can, until there is loss of confidence of capability to protect home user cyberspace, both in and out.

    EDIT: And where is the analysis report with pics/vids of product testing of all 3 vendors?
    2 page PDF document with text only is NOT gonna cut it for me.
    EDIT 2: While we are at it, I'd like to see financial report regarding ALL THREE vendors that contributet to this company.
    EDIT 3: Is AV-Comparatives in the AMTSO or not? When was the last external audit?
    How do I know the testing is being done "by the book" and outside financing did not "affect" this little marketing stunt? :)
     
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    So does this mean you-tube tests of Qihoo downloaded from their main site had more accurate results then the main AV test organizations? Go figure.
     
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    probably not,they are done by amateurs as well!:D
     
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    There should be?
    They installed keyloggers into AV-C's computers, monitored via RAT their monitors and intercepted browser communication with their server, they Qihoo-In-The-Middle attacked them and sent their special version which would serve them to, well, do stuff. I know, I was there the whole time all along...
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    You tubers are a scam! They have no international recognition, nor certifications, nor donation or funding to do what those giants do with charts and graphics! Because those are more credible than "seeing is believing"......
     
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    Market is down 111 so I would not read much into that move. If the market was up 111 then I would be concerned.
     
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    http://www.av-comparatives.org/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/VB-AVC-AVT-press-release.pdf
     
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    :argh: At least one of these so-called giants is looking like a rank amateur. I wonder how many more users will turn primarily to youtube, Malwarehub, and the like, for test data?
     
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    If it were up to me, I'd recommend someone to use something that is most comfortable with, no matter the name.
    If it works, does not slow down the machine, use it. Have backup scanners, external drives, cloud storage, whatever. Do nasty stuff in Sandbox, most people [at least 70%] should be safe.

    TROUBLE IS, there is NO competent e-education on internet security, malware, etc... For if people invested 2 months of training in this stuff, the Internet could be sligtly safer than it is now.

    Clueless person is a happy person.
     
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    You guys have no clue what Qihoo used to be. Although I mentioned it before, no one paid attention to what I said before. So I'll say it again. It used to be a virus disguised as a "Internet Assistant" (tool bar like). Google 3721 Internet Assistant and you'll see what I mean. They later said they are not a bad guy anymore but I highly doubt it. Once a thief, always a thief is very true here.
     
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    this from pc mag article above seems to make it clear that the vendors do submit their products to the testing labs rather than the testing labs downloading them as a normal end user would,how on earth would the products tested be so different to what is available to the public otherwise?sorry but this means that for years these labs could have been misled and inadvertently have then misled the public with results that could be classed as useless,makes me wonder if this is the 1st case or just the 1st case discovered
     
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