System Safety Monitor Development "On Hold" - Official

Discussion in 'other anti-malware software' started by Rickster100, Nov 27, 2008.

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  1. Saraceno

    Saraceno Registered Member

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    Everyone just relax. :cool: When typing text, words/phrases can get taken out of their original context quite easily.

    I don't see any malice in this thread. If you pick-apart, and over-analyse words, sure you could see a different meaning.

    SSM is a 'specialist' program for advanced users. There just isn't enough of them to support the product. Which is a shame.

    And with a gradual shift in newer generations expecting everything for free, it's only going to get tougher for many developers.
     
  2. GES/POR

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    At least theres still Defensewall :D
     
  3. Fuzzfas

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    Personally i don't disagree with the analysis that was made by Ilya about SSM. But i was puzzled to read that phrase, ending with a "but you can still buy his source code", accompanied with a "happy" smiley. Now, if i was to take it literally, i should assume he is happy. So, i prefer to take it as a joke, since the forum member can't buy the source code anyway. And i can't help thinking, that if i were Vitaly reading this comment, i wouldn't see any reason for smileys in this. So it's "black" humour. I doubt any developer in his hour of crisis, after working for years on a product, would like to see such "jokes" written about his program, specially from fellow programmers that should understand well how he is feeling. I initially refrained myself from commenting, thinking that "it must be me having trouble with english". But then i saw 2 more members that understood the same, so, maybe there was something wrong in that phrase.

    I 've nothing against Ilya, i actually just bought his product a few days ago and he gave me much support via mail, but , it's what i thought, so i say it. And if he was misunderstood, i think he shoud say so or otherwise rephrase what he said. In this way, the issue would have ended immediately.
     
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  4. Peter2150

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    On a side note, I noticed that you can still purchase SSM. I would hope if development is being halted, that sales should be stopped.
     
  5. bellgamin

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    I heartily agree.

    This is 2008. 2010 is a ways off. Who knows which security apps will even be around on that future date?

    SSM's latest beta is dated March 2008 -- NOT all that old. As a classical HIPS, SSM offers a myriad of possibilities for tailored rule-setting. Thus, SSM remains a powerful tool for the near-term & mid-term, until Windows makes a major update. As far as that goes, there are PRESENTLY security apps which still are not compatible with Vista or 64 bit.

    These are the words of a world-CLASS developer? I do not see much "class" at all in these unnecessarily crude and bombastic statements.

    He is correct that he is entitled to his opinion. However, I am equally entitled to my opinion that civil conduct and fairness in competition is a major consideration in deciding which organizations to deal with and which products to buy. I no longer find DW proponent to be in this category, and will so inform my friends & associates. I will do so with great vigor.
     
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  6. LoneWolf

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  7. Fuzzfas

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    Yes... I have used SSM Free many times while i had XP SP2. With SP3 the new version had some bugs unfortunately. It was the best standalone classical hips for me.
     
  8. Ilya Rabinovich

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    "Happy" smile was not in fact "happy", just smile. At least, I don't think it's "happy". Indeed, if you want to keep the project alive, you can:
    1. Buy SSM right now and support Vitaly.
    2. Buy its source code.
    3. Hire a programmer who will proceed further development.

    Point 2 is more realistic thise case, I don't think it will be too expensive. Can I put a smile here?
     
  9. Ilya Rabinovich

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    And one more time- you mix "a project" and "a software" statements here. SSM as a software is still alive and kicking, but the project is not already.

    Yes, I'm absolutely agree, it's not here, it's with my code.

    OK, I just end up here and take a pause for an year. Time will show who is right and who is wrong. Maybe, I was a bit crude, I'm sorry.
     
  10. Fuzzfas

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    I still don't find the reason of smile in such a phrase, but i suppose i 'd better think of it as a misunderstanding, so that this can end... :D

    In my case point 1 is more realistic, since i doubt he will sell the source code cheaper than the product itself and since even if i did buy the source code, it would be useless to me. Probably the same goes for the original poster to whom you replied. :D

    Of course, you can put smiles wherever you like! :D They make no big difference. :D
     
  11. Ilya Rabinovich

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    Simple- I like smiling to anybody I talk with :D If you ever meet me, you will see. It was not definitely about SSM. I always respect people who do something, not just talk. I always respect any competitor as we all do same things here- we high up user awareness about HIPS approach in the fight against malware. I believe it's highly underhyped. And I do respect Vitaly, Ronen, Arman and all the other brave people who made their steps in to the void.
     
  12. Fuzzfas

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    Ok, i call it a misunderstanding officially and case closed for me.
     
  13. Tony

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    Well done Fuzzfas.
    A lot of people`s native language on this board is not English.
    Unfortunately sometimes this can cause some disagreement simply because of the language barrier.

    Ilya is always helpful and gives help and advice freely and is very fast to respond.

    I wish i had as good as a command in Russian as Ilya has in English, and no doubt if i were to try and speak Any other form of language than English then i would frequently offend many people.
     
  14. Fuzzfas

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    I know about the language barrier. English isn't my native language either. So when i see english native speakers getting my intentions wrong, i suspect that it was me not expressing myself correctly, rather than them being crazy, so i try to explain that i was misunderstood. As i had posted earlier, this could have ended immediately with a simple "Guys, you misunderstood me". 4 people took the comment in a "wrong" way. Plus GES/POR's comment can be seen in a certain way, if you know what i mean. So, maybe all those weren't "crazy" to understand the same thing. Would they have made those comments if a "guys you misunderstood me" had been said? I think not.

    Misunderstandings can happen, but both parties must help each other to realise it was in deed a misunderstanding. And hopefully before it escalates (see attitude towards Bellgamin, whose avatar could be said that relates to his age, so certain attitudes should have been avoided, if not for anything else, out of respect for his age).

    Anyway... whatever.
     
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  15. noone_particular

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    Neither. I'll be running 98, 2K, (both with SSM) and Linux, probably in that order.:D

    I never expected that this thread would get so wound up. Language is definitely part of the problem, especially English. Where else does a "fat chance" and a "slim chance" mean the same thing? :p
     
  16. EASTER

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    You don't want to ask me that because my answer will be of simple formula. XP Pro for ages to come, even beyond Windows 9 :D

    Why not? If it still performs then (not outperforms) as a useful electronic communication entity and the security remains reasonable, which it will because malwares builders always move up with the newest M$ O/S trends too in order to prove their own skills, then XP might just be the last MS o/s i ever use again.

    I still see similiar trends continue with old relic 98, and everyone knows how bumpy that O/S is.
     
  17. Tarnak

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    Will be sticking with XP SP2 into the foreseeable future + SSM. :)
     
  18. Paranoid2000

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    I'm greatly saddened to hear of this also, even though there was an air of inevitability about this event (given the cutbacks in the SSM team and the delays in releasing a new version).

    Sadly despite the benefits of the process control approach in keeping a system malware free and being able to stop legitimate software from installing unwanted components (notable examples for me include Neverwinter Nights 2 with .NET Framework or Nvidia's current drivers and PhysX addons) it would seem that SSM just did not gain the popularity it deserved - or that most users were happy to stick with the free version.
     
  19. GES/POR

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    Ilya was right (i read minds) , if developer wouldnt have limited itself to such a small public and focussed on usability and marketing (on wilders for example) hed be flourishing right now and hiring more ppl instead of getting "bankrupt". Hardheaded developers dont necesarily make overall smart minds or good businessmen.
     
  20. Ilya Rabinovich

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    A bit offtopic, but anyway. I believe, most of the games made in 2009-2010 will be "the best viewed" only with DirectX 10/10.1/11. You see, this is the way MS usually push their OS (other one is OEM pre-installations).
     
  21. blacknight

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    The real problem of the HIPS and the reason for a lot of them don't survive is another. As already said in this thread, the HIPS are sophisticated softwares: not so difficult to use, but they need a mindful user, an user that knows the malware risks and that wants spend a bit of time to learn about pc security.

    People don't want this: friendly users want a product " Fire and Forget " that works automatically, and when they purchase it they disable immediately the most part of the functions, to don't be annoyed from the alert messages.

    The members of forums like Wilders are an " élite " on the IT security, but for this reason they are very few. So it's out the focus to say that the SSM developers - and PS developers, and Neoava Guard and...- have not a business mind: they had not behind a great and famous Software House like Kasperky, Symantec, TrendMicro.....That is all. Unluckily.

     
  22. Minimax2000

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    Therefore all stand-alone classical HIPS will follow the path of SSM in the long run and will meet their end. They are clearly not for the masses.
     
  23. Coolio10

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    I don't think the problem was the usability or the crowd it was aimed at. More and more freeware is popping up and just get better which draws people away from commercial solutions. If it wasn't for tallemu releasing a freeware version of their firewall do you think comodo would have bothered improving usability? If Comodo continuously improves its diskshield, i wouldn't be surprised if returnil or shadow defender are next to perish. High quality freeware is good for the consumer but bad for businesses selling the same type of product. I believe SSM had one of the most feature-stripped hips availlable, which is why people would just move. MBAM and Sandboxie is pretty much the opposite. Their freeware product has all the useful functions of the shareware version minus 1 or 2 non-vital parts. Which is pretty much like just acceping donations from people who think they deserve it.
     
  24. jmonge

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    hey coolio was your problem with unistalling bufferzone fixed?
     
  25. Ilya Rabinovich

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    If you take a look at high-popular freeware products, their users are monetized not with donations, but with search engines toolbar installations. This makes my mind that donations doesn't really work.
     
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