Hello, Phil notes in a reply to my post that he considers Norton(Symantec spec.) a Trojan. I often here comments like this on security websites I understand the intended irony, but where is the venom coming from? Is there any merrit to these staments? I am not making lite of anyones opinions,just currious and interested. I wonder if its the Bill Gate (insert any big companys name) hate syndrome. or do they insert spyware or something in their products. Please explain........... "Lifes to short"