Survey says 77% of Americans reject NSA mass electronic surveillance, of Americans

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  1. SweX

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    http://www.welivesecurity.com/2013/...sa-mass-electronic-surveillance-of-americans/
     
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    I would say it's the other way around 8/10 people don't care at all about NSA reading their emails and recording everything they do. This will continue until there will be a huge economic impact but this one won't be felt over a period of a month or a year but probably several years and will be most likely played down by whoever is in Office.
     
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    With a population of 250 million, give or take, I doubt serious that 575k signatures will cause anyone in Washington to lose a minute's sleep over it.
     
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    Survey says 77% of Americans reject NSA mass electronic surveillance, of Americans
    Lets put speculations about the actual percentage aside for a moment. It's not the percentage they're claiming that's the problem. It's their use of the word "reject". Does voicing your disapproval to family, friends or some anonymous survey qualify? How many of these 77% have bothered to voice their disapproval to their representatives in the government that's responsible for that surveillance? I'll bet this number is less than the number of signatures on that petition. Signing petitions and calling your representatives is voicing opposition to mass surveillance. It is not the same as rejecting mass surveillance.

    What does "reject surveillance" mean? In order to reject something, one must actively oppose it. How does one actively oppose mass surveillance? By making it more difficult and more expensive to perform that surveillance. The government can ignore a half million signatures by disregarding that petition. A half million letters and phone calls would get their attention. A half million new Tor nodes would completely overwhelm the NSA.

    No amount of leaked reports or media coverage is going to have any effect on mass surveillance. Our disapproval will have very little effect if that's all we do. When we disapprove enough to oppose mass surveillance, only then can we change it.

    Right now, less than 1000 people on the entire planet make Tor work, those who are running the exit nodes. The government could effectively kill Tor completely by targeting these 1000 people.
     
  5. ComputerSaysNo

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    noone_particular change comes on slow, but it does come. The petition might seem like mindless rubbish to you, but those 575000 people have family & friends who they will all talk to about this issue and it goes on until you reach the tipping point.

    It is on US to change the way things are, we are educated enough to do so and are in the right position. History will judge us by what we do as a community from now on.

    Do we resist the NSA's and other government's mass surveillance? Or do we comply and become trapped in The Matrix?

    I don't blame people for not caring, because it's up to us as a community to change the world for the better.

    With knowledge comes great power, and we have the power to change things for the better.
     
  6. Snoop3

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    Re: Survey says 77% of Americans reject NSA mass

    shouldn't we sponsor a Tor node thru Wilder's? the members donate thru Bitcoin or PayPal and it stays up and running as long as we support it and Wilders just collects the funds?

    maybe other tech sites would do the same too?
     
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    I'd say at least 90% of Americans 30 yrs old or under don't give a flying **** about their anonymity/privacy. They use fb which is one big -insert 3 letter agency here- proactive honeypot imho.
     
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    Sponsoring helps cover the costs of running a relay. There's a lot of ways to help. If you have a website, consider adding a flash proxy (nothing to do wish Adobe flash player). It functions like a bridge for censored users. People are working on apps that can run through Tor for PCs, cellphones, etc. Guardian Rom for Android is a good example of what's possible. There's a lot more ways to access and utilize Tor than ever before. In order for these to work, the Tor network itself has to grow. Without more relays, the load just keeps increasing on the existing relays. It will become slower. Connections will drop or time out. The network itself has to grow in proportion to the load it carries. The help that's needed the most is more relays and more exits.
     
  9. Tipsy

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    Something for scepticks to remember.
    American government will react when enough pressure from public and businesses.

    SOPA and PIPA supposed to be over and done. But enough public and tech companies anger, and they got killed. (for moment, anyway)
    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/01/still-smarting-from-sopa-congress-to-shy-away-from-copyright-in-2013/

    Main problem for NSA surveillance is, most Americans think it not really affect them and is only to keep them safe from foreign terrorists.
     
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