Supreme Court in Russia ruled Telegram must provide FSB encryption keys

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  1. Minimalist

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    Maybe there are concerns about payback ;) But then, the CIA has never been shy.
     
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    Russia Readies Telegram Ban After App Refused to Hand Over Encryption Keys to FSB
    April 6, 2018
    https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ne...-refused-to-hand-over-encryption-keys-to-fsb/
     
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    Another step down the road towards making privacy illegal.
     
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    Somewhat confused about what is being asked for here, since Telegram is nominally end-to-end. Presumably, it means access to metadata? But if they only have one key (aka Lavabit), then that's not good design anyway.

    It seems hard to argue the individual warrant give us your metadata argument, given that's exactly what the US and UK already do (and likely worse).
     
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    I know this is about Telegram. But I think they're all the same no matter what they claim.

    For me this 8 year old Zuck the puck acknowledged statement says it all.
    Facebook CEO Called Trusting Users ''Dumb *****''
     
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    Governments always want to know what people are communicating. That's just how it is. Can't be flying blind, ya' know :)
     
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    That's because the stupid people elect those who want to rule us and not those who want to represent us.
     
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    You're such an idealist ;)
     
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    You could be right, I didnt understand idealism when someone tried to explain it to me and I still don't so I won't argue that one lol...
     
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    What I mean is that they all suck. Remember that Who song?
     
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    The sad thing is, bad guys will just switch to some other app/method when communicating
     
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    “Privacy is not for sale,” Telegram founder says after being banned in Russia
    https://arstechnica.com/information...am-founder-says-after-being-banned-in-russia/
     
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    Nationwide Telegram Ban Begins in Russia – Kremlin Switches to ICQ
    https://wccftech.com/telegram-ban-begins-russia/
     
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    Russia Bans 1.8 Million Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram

    https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ne...-and-google-ips-in-attempt-to-block-telegram/
     
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    Interesting that Russia couldn't get into telegram, that has to be a good privacy recommendation and I didn't know ICQ was still around, at one time everyone had ICQ.
     
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    God, I remember ICQ ...

    **** messaging app that I have ever used (and only tried it because my technologically clueless friend wanted to use it because "everyone" was using it). Was dog slow on my comp while everything else run smoothly.... (maybe they sended everything to Russia LOL!)

    Early versions did not support encryption. Now it apparently does (?) but can't find any info
    of the actual encrypto it uses.
     
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    From Durov's Channel in Telegram, [17.04.18] :

    For the last 24 hours Telegram has been under a ban by internet providers in Russia. The reason is our refusal to provide encryption keys to Russian security agencies. For us, this was an easy decision. We promised our users 100% privacy and would rather cease to exist than violate this promise.

    Despite the ban, we haven’t seen a significant drop in user engagement so far, since Russians tend to bypass the ban with VPNs and proxies. We also have been relying on third-party cloud services to remain partly available for our users there.

    Thank you for your support and loyalty, Russian users of Telegram. Thank you, Apple, Google, Amazon, Microsoft – for not taking part in political censorship.

    Russia accounts for ~7% of the Telegram user base, and even if we lose that entire market, Telegram’s organic growth in other regions will compensate for this loss within a couple of months. However, it is important for me personally to make sure we do everything we can for our Russian users.

    To support internet freedoms in Russia and elsewhere I started giving out bitcoin grants to individuals and companies who run socks5 proxies and VPN. I am happy to donate millions of dollars this year to this cause, and hope that other people will follow. I called this Digital Resistance – a decentralized movement standing for digital freedoms and progress globally.
     
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    I found this from 2016,
    https://corp.mail.ru/en/press/releases/9641/
    I read a little about it, on other sites too, it appears you can also encrypt regular messages with third party plugins, there is one for using pgp.
    It all looks pretty good, I would try it but for the fact I don't know anyone that uses it.
     
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  25. Stefan Froberg

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    It certainly looks better now than before.

    Alan Cox once said that:
    "The ICQ protocol is ridiculously simplistic and is riddled with security holes. So is the ICQ software. So ICQ users can be spoofed, have their machine crashed, or have evil haxxors run arbitrary code on their boxes. Geez, these poor users might as well run Internet Explorer!"

    Still...the servers are in Russia and the current goverment is not especially encryption friendly ...
     
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