Start Page vs Google

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  1. m00nbl00d

    m00nbl00d Registered Member

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    According to Start Page (by Ixquick), -https://startpage.com/eng/, they get results from Google's search engine.

    I cannot disclose what I searched for, but I did make a search in Start Page, and it came up empty - no results, at all - but Google comes up with results for my search query.

    So, if their results are enhanced by Google, shouldn't I get the same results in Start Page? o_O
     
  2. vasa1

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    Do me a favor and type in "upstart" without the quotes in both Google & Startpage.
     
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    Reason I'm asking is that the word has at least two meanings, one of which is not in common usage. So it would be interesting to see what different people get. I'll put up what I get in a short while.
     
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    1. upstart - event-based init daemon
    2. Getting Started - upstart
    3. Upstart - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    4. upstart - definition of upstart by the Free Online Dictionary ...
    5. upStart.in
    That's the top 5 with Startpage.

    For me, 1, 2, and 3 are the ones of interest.
    4 is the common usage one.
    5 isn't relevant.

    Edit: I got the same 5 using Google with another browser and after signing in with a rarely used account o_O
     
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    Start Page results for upstart:

    1. upstart - event-based init daemon
    2. Getting Started - upstart
    3. Upstart - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    4. upstart - definition of upstart by the Free Online Dictionary ...
    5. Upstart - Highsmith

    Google results for upstart:

    1. upstart - event-based init daemon
    2. Upstart - Highsmith
    3. upstart (www. upstart. net.au)
    4. UpStart (upstart. ie)
    5. Upstart - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    google:

    - upstart - event-based init daemon
    - Getting Started - upstart
    - Upstart - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    - Welcome to UpStart Champions | Upstart Champions
    - upstart - definition of upstart by the Free Online Dictionary ...

    Startpage:

    the same in the same order
     
  7. vasa1

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    So what do we conclude? Frankly, I'm now thinking that "upstart" isn't the best search term seeing as how (IMO) the rarer use got to #1 for the three of us!

    Any other suggestions? And do we need to specify being signed out or signed into our most-used Google account?
     
  8. m00nbl00d

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    I wasn't signed in to Google. I also used the en-US search, for what is worth.
     
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    i don't have a Google account.
    i used Canada english
     
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    I tend to get the same results with both engines. To be honest, I get more or less the same with DDG as with the other two. If you look for visual images; Google & Start Page tend to give virtually the same images (which isn't surprising). I think that if you wanted to monitor the effect of Google's 'bubble tracking' (when you are logged into Google), you'd have to use a large amount of search examples, & observe them over a particular period of time.

    As a comparison, I just searched for 'Upstart' on Qrobe.it (United Kingdom settings) & got the following (first five only):

    upstart - event-based init daemon (upstart.ubuntu.com)

    Getting Started - upstart (upstart.ubuntu.com/getting-started.html)

    Library Sparks (www.highsmith.com/upstart)

    Upstart - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upstart)

    upstart (www.upstart.net.au)
     
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  11. vasa1

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    And then again, is it worth the effort? I was hoping to find an easy way to see the alleged benefits (or drawbacks) of bubbling.
     
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    As I see it, there is no upside to bubbling, unless you're an advertiser or stand to profit from it monetarily. It was not created for end user ease or convenience. In which case, I prefer not to be bubble tracked, hence why I use DDG &/or Start Page.
     
  13. vasa1

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    And I don't see any downside. Our collective experience here seems to indicate that, at worst, it was hype to sell a book. In fact signing out of Google is not something I prefer doing.

    Anyway, if anyone wants to check out A v/s B v/s C, I wouldn't mind participating.
     
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    I figured that. It doesn't matter how much I explain the downside you aren't going to see it. It's OK, I teach special needs, I have a lot of patience with these things. ;)

    Meanwhile on planet Earth ... :eek:

    I can live with it. I can live with the big G tracking me a little. I just like to minimise it as much as possible for security reasons.
     
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    And a lot of free time by the looks of it ;)
     
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    Yes, I am only teaching part-time at the moment. I'm surviving, but it is helpful & comforting of you to point that out. One of the only advantages of this situation is that I get to spend more time with you guys on Wilders, as a welcome break while I'm working on the computer, of course :D . I doubt that I'll starve any time soon though ;) . I'm hoping that things may pick-up a bit in the near future.

    Either way, I still can't see any real advantage to the end user with bubble tracking. The only advantage that I can see is for the data-miners & those who profit from information gathering. I understand that a lot of the freeware & services on the Net are funded from this particular form of data gathering, & I don't begrudge Google inter alios benefiting from some of it, I just think that it needs to be controlled or monitored somewhat.

    As to the advantages in actual search results; I am just not that convinced that bubble algorithms are more proficient in finding your query than any normal search engine results. I've certainly not seen any evidence for it.
     
  17. vasa1

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    You are deliberately ignoring what the proponent of the filter bubble claims. Anyway, I still have to understand why four people got very similar results.
     
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    could add and privacy blockers have something to do with it?

    i'm using ScriptNo
     
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    Yes, because it's bollocks. ;)

    It makes perfect sense to me. Maybe the bubble has burst? :D

    Beware of online filter bubbles.
     
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    I didn't join this thread to air my prejudices.

    I suggested a way to compare search results to figure out OP's observation.

    Unfortunately, ...
     
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    Fair do's (I believe you squire ;) ), it's just that (a) I haven't seen any evidence so far to show that bubble tracking the end user has any greater efficacy than a normal (non-bubbling) algorithm.

    And (b) I honestly don't believe that bubble tracking was designed for the convenience of the end user, but was more likely designed to benefit various corporations for data gathering, with a strong probability of being mostly for financial reasons. I believe that this is a great concern to anyone who is security conscious, & we are talking on a security forum, after all. I am not sure that this belief can be termed a 'prejudice' as much as a genuinely exigent concern.
     
  22. vasa1

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    So now security and privacy are equivalent?
     
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    I'm just surprised (more like gobsmacked) that you can't see the correlation between the two.
     
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