slow boot with XP--not spyware?

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  1. f123

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    1.List all startup items in your MSCONFIG (checkec items).

    2.Disconnect all devices from the PC except for the mouse AND keyboard (very important) and reboot several times. Record and post your boot times.

    3.Reset BIOS to default configuration, save, and exit. Repeat step 2 and post results.

    4.Reset CMOS battery. Repeat step 2 and post results.

    Let me know if you can go inside the PC to remove the PCI cards. I like to remove all devices from the motherboard. Reseat the RAM modules. Connect only the boot hard drive to the primary IDE channel, and check for timely PC boot. It shouldn't take more than 30 seconds from the time you hit the power button to the appearance of the desktop.

    Also go to pcpitstop.com and run the full performance test. Post your results here.

    F.
     
  2. Close_Hauled

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    Don't even think about doing any of the above!
     
  3. puffgirl

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    Hello everyone.

    Thanks for bumping my post! :)

    Just to recap: I have a 2003 Gateway computer (pentium (R) CPU, 2.53 GHz, 512 MB RAM, 75 GB with about 8 GB used) which uses v.4 of Windows XP as its operating system. When my husband and I bought the computer last year, boot up was really fast (maybe 10 seconds max). Now it takes about a minute and a half to bring up the desktop screen. We don't use the computer for much except email, digital pictures, word processing, and the internet, so we don't have a lot of fancy stuff (i.e. gaming and the like) going on. We did use the computer recently to burn some DVDs using an HP DVD writer (on loan to us), and the slowdown seemed to get worse after that. However, we have since removed all traces of that program (and done a disc defrag), and I haven’t noticed very much improvement. The boot seems to get hung up on the windows screen (bar slows down and almost stops during boot). In addition, there is a quite a bit of time spent on the black screen (after the windows screen disappears, but before the welcome (desktop) screen appears). The computer (aside from the slow boot) appears to be working fine, which is a relief, I suppose, but I am worried that things will continue to decline …as they seem to have over the past year until the computer is no longer usable. :(

    I have tried everything I know to "fix" this problem. Here is a summary of my efforts to date:

    1) ran spybot and ad-aware (they found a few spyware programs, but removing these entries did not really do anything to help boot time.
    2) ran msconfig and disabled some programs at startup that we don't use to help streamline things. This also did not seem to help very much.
    3) ran Norton (after doing live update). It did not find anything unusual.
    4) I have done a disc cleanup, disc scan, and a disc defrag without any result.
    5) ran bootvis to determine where the lag is...and this is what I found (on a horizontal timeline from 0-76 seconds)

    disk: 0-2s
    drivers: 3-10s
    registry+pa: 11-21s
    video: 22-25s
    server+logon: 29-76s
    shell: 42-57s

    The vertical line on this timeline (drawn in by bootvis program) was shown at 57 seconds. Also, I noticed that when I first run bootvis (trace) after emptying the prefetch folder, that the bootup is pretty quick. However, when I optimize and reboot, the bootup slows down markedly. I don’t know if this means anything or not.

    6) ran DXDiag.exe and MSInfo32.exe, as Close Hauled suggested, and I downloaded Belarc as Ronjor suggested. I sent these files all to Close-Hauled. I did not observe anything out of the ordinary with them, but I am not an expert.
    7) attempted to fix most of errors/warnings in “event viewer” a summary of these errors as they appear is below:

    Application:
    Win Mgmt error, event 62 and 63
    EventSystem error, category 52, error 4354 (fixed by updating messenger)
    EventSystem error, category 50, error 4609
    Application error, event 1000 and 1001
    MsiInstaller error, event 11722 (error associated with HP DVD writer)
    ApplicationHang error, catagory 101, event 1002
    ApplicationHang error, no category, event 1001
    Crypt32 error, events 3, 8, and 11 (fixed, I think)
    Liveupdate, event 59
    Userenv error, event 1517 (only real error until about 8.6.2003)

    System:
    DCOM error, event 10003 (fixed--no longer appears)
    Win32 Time error, events 17 and 29
    Win32 Time warning, event 36
    Service Control Manager Error, event 7023
    PlugPlayManager, event 256

    I am not sure when the slowdown first started…as I mentioned, the computer is only a year old and used to boot up quickly. But since last summer, it seems to have gotten slower and slower. (Or maybe we just have gotten more impatient with it?) ;) We updated our version of Norton (via online subscription). Could it be that? Could it be something with the “system restore” feature that I had to disable temporarily to eradicate the Blaster (LovSan) worm which infected our machine last year? Could it be our dial up connection (stupid AT&T)? I don’t know. Do I need a driver update? I have no idea. My computer is set to receive automatic updates from Microsoft (I always download the ones marked “critical”.) I don’t even know if the computer is trying to tell me where the error is (dxdiag or misinfo or whatnot)—because this is my first PC (having had a Mac through college and grad school), and I don’t know anything about navigating this ocean.

    I am at a loss. Please help, if you can.
     
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    A discussion.

    http://v2.tlab404.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=240&PN=1


    The Windows 9x/Me and XP operating systems include a program called MSConfig for modifying programs set to load at startup, which is useful for troubleshooting slow bootup/logins and disabling virus/malware applications that may have found their way onto a computer.

    Start, run, type msconfig.
     
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    PuffGirl;

    Could you please post the frequency of these errors. Basically, I am looking for which errors happen the most frequently. And most recently. If some of these are old, and don't show up anymore, that is important too.

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    Post from marone on TLab404 Forum : Windows XP

    kbalertz - MS kb article on Critical Update KB842773 installs incorrectly if the Service BITS has not been started.

    This may cause backup programs to not function correctly.

    http://www.kbalertz.com/Feedback_883357.aspx

    Regards - Charles
     
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    Are you connecting to the net manually, or automatically via those AT&T startup entries? If it's automatic, uncheck those entries in msconfig. I would also set the Automatic Updates, Windows Time, and Background Intelligent Transfer Services, as zcv suggested, to manual startup in the Start/Settings/Control Panel/Administrative Tools/Services control panel. Reboot and see if there is any improvement. Undo those changes if you have problems or if you see no improvement. The point is to see if your dial-up connection is causing startup problems. When I switched from dial-up to AT&T (now Comcast) broadband, my system's startup and general performance improved noticeably.

    Nick
     
  8. puffgirl

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    Hello again.

    I wanted to take some time and respond to your inquiries.

    For Close Hauled—application and frequency of errors

    Application:
    Win Mgmt error, event 62 (1X) and 63 (1X): error 63 is the last error in my log--appeared 7/19/04; error 62 appeared 7/15/04
    EventSystem error, category 52, error 4354 (8X--fixed by updating messenger--last appeared 7/18/04)
    EventSystem error, category 50, error 4609 (4X--last appeared 8/11/03)
    Application error, event 1000 (2X) and 1001(1X); both errors appeared on 7/14/04 and haven't appeared since
    MsiInstaller error, event 11722 (1X--error associated with HP DVD writer..only appeared the once)
    ApplicationHang error, catagory 101, event 1002(8X) (last appeared 6/12/04)
    ApplicationHang error, no category, event 1001 (5X) last appeared 1/28/04
    Crypt32 error, events 3 (3X), 8 (11X), and 11 (6X) (fixed, I think--they haven't appeared since 6/2/04)
    Liveupdate, event 59 (4X)--last appeared 3/29/04 and hasn't appeared since
    Userenv error, event 1517 (22X)--last appeared 5/26/04..this was the first of my computer errors (started 4/12/03 and was the only error until 8/6/03--about the same time as the slowdown first started...and about the same time as the LoveSan infection ).

    System:
    DCOM error, event 10003 (33X!!!--fixed by disabling--no longer appears as of 7/15/04)
    Win32 Time error, events 17 (1X) and 29 (1X)--last appeared 7/15/04
    Win32 Time warning, event 36 (5X)--last appeared 7/2/04
    Service Control Manager Error, event 7023 (303X!!!--no typo--303X and all on the same day 7/1/04) :eek:
    PlugPlayManager, event 256 (16X--last appeared 6/27/04, appeared 10X on 6/04/04..This was the first error to appear on this computer...happened on 5/29/04.)
    Service Control Manager Error, event 7024 (1X--last appeared 6/3/04)

    Ronjor—thank you for the very interesting link. I have used msconfig to disable some of the unnecessary programs which load at startup. I may be able to deselect others. I don’t think I have any spyware programs (I have ad-aware, spybot, spyware guard, and spyware blaster on my machine) or any viruses (at least I’d better not, since I update and run Nortion regularly), but it is nice to know that other people are struggling with the same problem I am. I notice that this link also mentions BITS, which has shown up on three posts here. I will have to investigate this further.

    Zcv- I found the bit about BITS interesting. Thank you for the link. I will have to check on this and let you know.

    Nick s- I am connecting to the internet manually. I will look into changing the settings for Automatic Updates, Windows Time, and Background Intelligent Transfer Services to manual startup and see if there is any improvement.

    I was wondering if my Bootvis data meant anything to anyone (in terms of diagnosing where the problem might be)? I will keep checking back here for your advice and new things to try until this problem is “fixed.” Thanks again for your help.

    -Elva
     
  9. Blackspear

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    Elva, have your boot up times improved at all since doing any of the above?

    If you walked into one of my shops, I would advise you to format and reload a fresh copy of Windows XP, then load known trouble free software and work with it for a day or so, after this load 1 piece of software at a time, even a day apart, until you determine what is causing the problem.

    Basically Windows will not load if there is a piece of hardware that has a fault. And software you can see what causes the problem by doing the above.

    Alternatively, you can chase your tail with these sort of errors forever in a day...

    Hope this helps.

    Cheers :D
     
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    We would start by doing this as well, and if the hardware tested up ok, next step would be a format and reload of windows...

    Cheers :D
     
  11. f123

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    I suspect you have a software issue. Since you don't have a lot of stuffs in the PC, reloading windows would be the most effective solution...if all the hardware checked out OK. Use the CD burner to copy important stuffs on several CD-R discs.

    It's important to resolve this problem in a timely manner, especially if you're still under warranty. Per the previous post, never load a bunch of programs at one time. Create a restore point, then install ONE program. Try it for a few days. If okay, then create another restore point and add another program. Always backup your data when adding hardware/software.

    A better method of backing up your system is to image the entire partition for future restoration. I would recommend that you do this after you've reloaded windows and other software. The image file will allow you to restore the PC to this EXACT state. You will lose some e-mails, but the PC will be in perfect working order. The good image file will also delete all types of PC gremlins.

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  12. Close_Hauled

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    PuffGirl;

    I just finished reviewing your System log. The last error that you had was on the 15th of July. They were DCOM errors. It looks to me like you were running WindowsUpdate and that they may be normal, but I am not 100% certain. I will post it here for others:
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    7/15/2004	5:47:25 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7036	N/A	BENGALLOVE	The Background Intelligent Transfer Service service entered the running state.
    7/15/2004	5:47:25 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7035	NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM	BENGALLOVE	The Background Intelligent Transfer Service service was successfully sent a start control.
    7/15/2004	5:38:53 PM	DCOM	Error	None	10003	N/A	BENGALLOVE	Access denied attempting to launch a DCOM Server using DefaultLaunchPermssion. The server is:
    {00020906-0000-0000-C000-000000000046}
    The user is Unavailable/Unavailable, SID=Unavailable.
    7/15/2004	5:38:04 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7036	N/A	BENGALLOVE	The Messenger service entered the stopped state.
    7/15/2004	5:38:03 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7035	BENGALLOVE\Owner	BENGALLOVE	The Messenger service was successfully sent a stop control.
    7/15/2004	5:36:35 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7036	N/A	BENGALLOVE	The SSDP Discovery Service service entered the stopped state.
    7/15/2004	5:36:35 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7035	BENGALLOVE\Owner	BENGALLOVE	The SSDP Discovery Service service was successfully sent a stop control.
    7/15/2004	5:22:55 PM	DCOM	Error	None	10003	N/A	BENGALLOVE	Access denied attempting to launch a DCOM Server using DefaultLaunchPermssion. The server is:
    {00020906-0000-0000-C000-000000000046}
    The user is Unavailable/Unavailable, SID=Unavailable.
    7/15/2004	5:09:19 PM	DCOM	Error	None	10010	BENGALLOVE\Owner	BENGALLOVE	The server {F3A614DC-ABE0-11D2-A441-00C04F795683} did not register with DCOM within the required timeout.
    7/15/2004	4:48:35 PM	NtServicePack	Information	None	4377	BENGALLOVE\Owner	BENGALLOVE	Windows XP Hotfix KB839645 was installed.
    7/15/2004	4:45:36 PM	NtServicePack	Information	None	4377	BENGALLOVE\Owner	BENGALLOVE	Windows XP Hotfix KB841873 was installed.
    7/15/2004	4:44:50 PM	NtServicePack	Information	None	4377	BENGALLOVE\Owner	BENGALLOVE	Windows XP Hotfix KB842773 was installed.
    7/15/2004	4:44:40 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7036	N/A	BENGALLOVE	The Background Intelligent Transfer Service service entered the stopped state.
    7/15/2004	4:44:40 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7035	BENGALLOVE\Owner	BENGALLOVE	The Background Intelligent Transfer Service service was successfully sent a stop control.
    7/15/2004	4:44:11 PM	NtServicePack	Information	None	4377	BENGALLOVE\Owner	BENGALLOVE	Windows XP Hotfix KB840315 was installed.
    7/15/2004	4:35:40 PM	DCOM	Error	None	10003	N/A	BENGALLOVE	Access denied attempting to launch a DCOM Server using DefaultLaunchPermssion. The server is:
    {00020906-0000-0000-C000-000000000046}
    The user is Unavailable/Unavailable, SID=Unavailable.
    7/15/2004	4:26:44 PM	RemoteAccess	Information	None	20158	N/A	BENGALLOVE	The user 200129736@worldnet.att.net successfully established a connection to AT&T Connection Service using the device COM3.
    7/15/2004	4:26:38 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7036	N/A	BENGALLOVE	The IMAPI CD-Burning COM Service service entered the stopped state.
    7/15/2004	4:26:38 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7036	N/A	BENGALLOVE	The Symantec Password Validation Service service entered the stopped state.
    7/15/2004	4:26:38 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7036	N/A	BENGALLOVE	The IMAPI CD-Burning COM Service service entered the running state.
    7/15/2004	4:26:38 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7035	NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM	BENGALLOVE	The IMAPI CD-Burning COM Service service was successfully sent a start control.
    7/15/2004	4:26:38 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7036	N/A	BENGALLOVE	The Symantec Password Validation Service service entered the running state.
    7/15/2004	4:26:38 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7035	NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM	BENGALLOVE	The SAVRT service was successfully sent a start control.
    7/15/2004	4:26:38 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7035	NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM	BENGALLOVE	The NAVEX15 service was successfully sent a start control.
    7/15/2004	4:26:38 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7035	NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM	BENGALLOVE	The NIC Management Service Configuration Driver service was successfully sent a start control.
    7/15/2004	4:26:38 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7035	NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM	BENGALLOVE	The Symantec Password Validation Service service was successfully sent a start control.
    7/15/2004	4:26:38 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7036	N/A	BENGALLOVE	The SSDP Discovery Service service entered the running state.
    7/15/2004	4:26:38 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7036	N/A	BENGALLOVE	The ScriptBlocking Service service entered the stopped state.
    7/15/2004	4:26:38 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7035	NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM	BENGALLOVE	The NAVENG service was successfully sent a start control.
    7/15/2004	4:26:38 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7035	NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM	BENGALLOVE	The SSDP Discovery Service service was successfully sent a start control.
    7/15/2004	4:26:38 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7036	N/A	BENGALLOVE	The Fast User Switching Compatibility service entered the running state.
    7/15/2004	4:26:38 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7035	NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM	BENGALLOVE	The SymEvent service was successfully sent a start control.
    7/15/2004	4:26:38 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7035	NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM	BENGALLOVE	The Fast User Switching Compatibility service was successfully sent a start control.
    7/15/2004	4:26:38 PM	Service Control Manager	Information	None	7036	N/A	BENGALLOVE	The Terminal Services service entered the running state.
    7/15/2004	4:25:47 PM	EventLog	Information	None	6005	N/A	BENGALLOVE	The Event log service was started.
    7/15/2004	4:25:47 PM	EventLog	Information	None	6009	N/A	BENGALLOVE	Microsoft (R) Windows (R) 5.01. 2600 Service Pack 1 Uniprocessor Free.
    
    Your system rebooted 20 times since the 15th without any errors.

    Your Application log has more errors in it. The only one that is persistent is this one:
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    7/26/2004	8:46:27 PM	NMSSvc	Information	None	0	N/A	BENGALLOVE	NMS initialization during service startup failed..
    The NMSSvc is related to your Intel network card. I am assuming that this is wired Ethernet port built into your motherboard. Please correct me if I am wrong.

    Everything that I have read about this message suggests that your PROSet drivers for your Intel network card need updated. If you can provide me with the model number of your Gateway, I can figure out which PROSet version you need.

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    PuffGirl;

    Most new computers have built in Network Interface Controllers (NIC). Your Gateway probably has an Integrated Intel® 10/100 Ethernet Adapter, which is very popular. The port looks like a phone port that you have in the wall, only a little wider. That's because your phone cable has an RJ-11 connector that supports up to 4 wires, while your Ethernet cable has an RJ-45 connector that supports up to 8 wires.

    If you are not using the Ethernet controller, you can uninstall the software and drivers, and disable the controller in the BIOS. You really shouldn't need to, unless you want to free up some resources. I would try and fix it, because you will use it if you already don't.

    I am not certain how you access the BIOS on a Gateway. On Dells and Intels, you press the F2 key before the operating system loads. The timing is trickey on these new fast machines. The best way to do it is to start tapping the F2 key as soon as you power up. Once you are in, document all of the settings before you change them.

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    PuffGirl;

    I was just reviewing the DXDiag file that you sent me. You have a two year old driver for your Intel network adapter. You also have old drivers for the Intel 845G chipset. Please post the model number of your Gateway so that I can confirm proper files to download.

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    Howdy.

    Thanks for your posts. The boot time has improved since I started tweaking...about 30 seconds or so, I'd say. It still takes over a minute...But when you are waiting, a minute can feel like so much longer than 60 seconds (especially considering how fast this computer used to be)!

    The model number (on the back of my Gateway is FPD 1830. It was manufactured in December of 2002. You are correct...it does have the ethernet card (in addition to the modem). I will be so happy the day I can say goodbye to dialup forever! But I will be even happier when when my slow boot is a thing of the past. :D

    Thank you again for your patience and suggestions. I would be delighted to try the updated ProSet drivers...or anything else you can recommend.

    Many thanks,
    Elva
     
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    Oops! I should have realized that the model number I posted was for the monitor because I noticed that the keyboard had one, too. :oops: Here is the REAL model number: Gateway YORKTOWN 4000806
     
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    Based on the information that you sent me, you have a Gateway 500X, with a Yorktown motherboard. Your warranty expired February 24, 2004. You can go to support.gateway.com to confirm this. You can have this site scan your system and give you more information about it. You can also download all of the latest drivers that Gateway supports.
     
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    I downloaded all the latest drivers at the Gateway site (support.gateway.com). There has been no change in boot time. Are there other drivers that I need?

    Please advise.
     
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    I dwnld Bootvis, but am confused. What "procedure" is there to followo_O?? I managed to get something up with the program and it said something about "write caching is disabled!". Have no idea here o_O
     
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    To access BIOS on my Gateway desktop you:
    Restart the computer and during the restart, press and hold the F1 key. The main menu of the BIOS Setup utility opens.

    I wanted to add that I have also had a pretty hefty slowdown on startup since intalling the SP2 update. I went to the event viewer and found that "The AVG6 service hung on starting."
    I uninstalled AVG6 (it was being used as an on demand AV) and my startup time has improved considerably. It's still a lot slower startup, but I'm working on it. You're not alone Puff!
     
  21. nod32_9

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    Bootvis is a TOOL designed to show the boot time of various Windows components. Bootvis DOES NOT improve the boot time!!! You can't delete ALL the contents of the PREFETCH folder. Reboot the PC and windows will repopulate the PREFETCH folder if TASK SCHEDULER is set to AUTO in services.

    SP2 does increase the boot time. I see no compelling reason to switch to SP2, since my copy of ZA Pro 4.5.594 provides better protection with a faster boot time. SP2 also uses more RAM for the same task.
     
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    Correction...

    Delete ALL the contents of the PREFETCH folder and reboot PC.
     
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    Understood. Can you answer why in the Disk I/O graph it says "Warning! Disk write caching is disabled." and doesn't start working until at +25.2 or so on bottom of graph? Should write caching be enabled and, if so, how? Thanks.
     
  24. nod32_9

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    Reset BIOS to default configuration. Verify that the HD and speed are properly detected...DMA mode 5 or 6 with a modern system.

    To enable "write caching", go to Device Manager and open the Disk Drives section (W2K/WXP). Right click on the drive, select properties\Policies and put a check mark next to Enable write caching on the disk. Reboot PC. Also verify that all devices in primary and secondary IDE channels are running in DMA mode.
     
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    Can you learn another language in the time it takes for your machine to boot? Do you turn on your PC when you go to bed, so it's finished booting by the time you get home from work the next day?
    http://www.r2.com.au/software.php?page=2&show=startdelay
     
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