SiteAdvisor -- strange

Mcafee is leader of screwing up as of today but all these services should be questioned. Hard core followers you seem to have run in to do not think outside their own little box/hobby and people in charge might tend to appreciate such eager users. Security on steroids becomes dumb.

Both green and red can be interesting to manipulate with and I don't tihnk regular users have a clue or is interested in getting one, generally they accept what is fed to them - why such services have potential power as "guides". Also why you see even a hacker forum complain about a block. Nobody wants that, everyone feels stepped on and will go for green/approved any day. If possible to game a system some will do just that. Avast just added "Web reputation" as a feature. Anyone can vote = I am 100% skeptical. Oh there was another list of sites to check your domains against Click,click.

 

What other list? Please provide it if you can, I will definitely make sure my sites are checked against it.

This whole thing bothers me more and more the deeper I am sunken into it.

I fear we are creating chaos. The anonymous internet, gotta love it... and hate it if you dare try to do small business (but get big enough to be noticed).

There is another SA reviewer who does the same automation, but was not banned AFAIK. He is lashing out at me on MyWOT now, as he holds substantial power there. Well, not so much lashing out, as making this argument that this 'anonymous group of good people' must be kept both anonymous, and in-power. He goes on to not really care about the innocent victims, who are apparently collateral damage. It is weird, and scary.

I fear power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The arrogance of the first recant to the defamation made it clear that this is some kid, thinking of himself as infallible. It must be somebody without ANY bills to pay, with 2 million site reviews, lol.

 

Well it is a build-in feature from the Avast AV program. You need to install it. Later I will check your domains and post if some of them are not ok. Weird feature since they already do malware blocking via web shield (active code check) and network shield (blacklist). Seems to be "by popular demand" or "we must also have one of those" to me. But too early to be judgmental towards that, for now I don't see the point though. Avast is not known to be experimental and they have millions of users. They must know something we don't I am only interested in RED way of thinking. Do not think security products should be used in marketing and that is what GREEN is all about. Ask WOT or the Mcafee sales person. Potential problems with both. RED should be dealt with by professionals not amateurs, communities - also not messed up professionals of course.

 

AMEN to that.

As an aside, thinking about it, I'm almost sure that reviewer that was banned was a teenager, or maybe a 30 year old still living at home. How else are they gonna support themselves? Unless my crazy conspiracy theories are right, which are only a series of very odd, very unlikely coincidences.

Capitalism wins in all cases, in the end. Also, there is the law. The FBI does have a cybercrime unit, for whatever it is worth. Then there is the FTC. When companies get so large, like SiteAdvisor, with 350+ million installs, they must adhere to certain ethical guidelines, as they have the power to nearly instantly kill any business they want.

Of course, the internet is global, so throw in 100 more organizations. The end output is chaos.

Thanks if you do check my domains, though they are surely ok, unless this 'good citizen' is having some more teenage fun. You know, once people do 'grow up', it is a hard reality -- having to make X each month, else you're outta there. You know, no safety net, no Mommy and Daddy.

 

From a Google search where Avast attach icons showing reputation.
prolasso.com - OK
processlasso.com - OK
bitsum.net - OK
bitsum.com - Almost!

Why almost you see in attached pics. Feature is new and many sites will have a note saying "based on small number of votes" = why you you only have 1 bar green I assume, don't pay too much attention to that. But why on earth is that support login red? This is not Avasts doing if I understand their setup correctly. Users decide. If someone or some voted a little login page red would whole site, like main page not be red as well. Or quite a few have actually given you thumbs up but a few vote everything red and get away with it on this particular page? Those who click the most wins? Don't know but as said I am highly skeptical towards these icons when reasons for them are unknown/user based.

When you enter a page an icon placed in browser toolbar have same 3 bars and show same result as in Google/Search engines. Clicking on it give pic no. 2 I can select category and "vote" on my idea of "how do I like this site" or is it only a local vote on how loveable it is and they are only interested in how I feel about category? - weird? Yes it is

 

Now you can get Wilders to play WOT forum members and we can make sure that page becomes green. Beat the network of security tossers if they are active via Avast as well. All are happy but not really a solution to the problems is it? You need to check this nonsense like every day to be sure you and your products are in sync with "public opinion". There is something wrong about this.

 

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And, yes, it is quite strange. The login page I use is shared SSL certificate, common for micro ISVs who can't afford their own SSL cert. So, I dunno... And technically this one is one MERCHANTSECURE.COM. So, they'll need notified I guess. Another rating service just means more potential false positives, and little good for the end user (to be honest). Half the time people are victimized while looking at porn anyway, probably clicking by those warnings, lol

Hey, thanks for posting that, that is interesting new Avast service. I expect it won't be the last new rating service.

 

I thought about https as well but not really important since weprep is based on users input from what I can tell. Avast is just watching stats. From 100+ million users http://www.avast.com/en-se/pr-avast-software-will-add-reputation-analysis-to-the-upcoming-6-0 should be fun Is included in the extremely popular free version.

Must soon be time to talk about the positive sides of blocking. Like unaware and clueless site admins being told their site is heavily infected because last time they updated scripts was 2 years ago! Or just the daily massive dosis of malware domains not even mothers of site admins will approve of. That type of stories you can also find. Blocking/warning ideas are great, especially on dns level, but also comes with quite a bit of responsibility.

 

Yes, but along with BLACK lists I think WHITE lists are an obvious and necessary thing. I mean, after a decade, I think I can safely be put on a WHITE list at any company. *IF* ever there is then a question, it can be INVESTIGATED before I am taken off that list. Does this not make sense? Surely this will be the future.

 

Doubly strange when you consider ALL those domains have the link to my Support area, using that shared SSL certificate.. meaning the 'Almost!' contradicts all those other ratings. Oh well, who the heck knows.

The one thing I do know is that by doing good and ethical business all these years I have a large and loyal user base that 'know me'. That helps a lot in situations like these. While explaining yourself to someone who doesn't know you in a Forum is sometimes tedious, I've done it repeatedly now. The problem I'm getting now is that since false REDs occurred at SA, now I have to explain ALL past problems too ;o.

Ugh. Well, hey, got an even more serious issue coming up -- taxes . I think I've paid in enough, I am scared to do the math, lol. They tax us self-employed quite high, just FYI. That one software engineer in Texas flew his plane into a building last year, if you remember that. Sadly, he killed innocent people, something they didn't initially know. Of course, I don't endorse that action, I'm just saying -- it is HARD out here as a Micro ISV . Of course, I am here by choice I suppose.

 

They made it clear, in no uncertain terms, that they could find excuses to 'take me down' if they wanted, so I will no longer be commenting here, or anywhere. After all, they can, and will.. and I have no defense. My only hope is silence.

 

WTH? So, McAfee is going the scareware way? (Rhetorical question.)

 

I put money on the network of security tossers playing anonymous wars - and having trouble getting over them self. They found out they did not run SiteAdvisor after all! They have virtual names to look after you know Mcafee will not sink so low as to make direct threats. Complicating things so they cant even fix recognized problems is their game, for the most part - they are also responsible for idiotic sales persons of course. Must be pain in the butt to check and complain over all this so I understand if he won't create further noise. He might have been detected as being active here and got notified. Internet is useful for speaking up but you also make your self visible. Why most of us have silly user names I guess.

If it really is an unofficial, but clearly coming from Mcafee threat, I do hope he will speak up again. Internet tossers are best left alone, they can keep going long after any sane person has had enough.

 

No, not SiteAdvisor. The volunteer do-gooders, of all people. They are 'coming after' one of the most ethical operations on the net, my user approval rate is the highest in the industry, I guarantee you. I accept my fate. They can take me down. All because McAfee changed their policies and banned that guy. I don't have control of McAfee, so nothing I can do but accept my fate. I never requested that guy be removed, nor did I mention him in complaints. Dunno what the deal is.

 

Since you guys asked, and I'll probably PAY for ANY answer, as they indicated they have total control... What was done is info LONG AGO dismissed and clarified was brought up at MyWOT, complicating the obvious correction, making it instead look like it was my own users who suddenly started rating me last night badly. My own users are fighting back, here at

http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/processlasso.com

Unlike my persecutors, I have refused to violate ethical code of conduct and create multiple accounts or fake IPs. That way, if law enforcement ever investigates, they can trace it back to these people. The fact that these are our guardians scares me more than the fraudsters.

Like I said. Power corrupts. They have let it be known they will now crush me for daring to disagree. The ONLY thing I've done is AGREE with McAfee and DEFEND MY REPUTATION when it was ATTACKED. Even if the cause was a false positive, it was still ATTACKED without reason.

So, they've let me know they have control everywhere, and will do anything. Meanwhile, I'm looking for work.... I was profitable, but now... I can't deal with this every week. They win for sure. Fun stuff. Haha

UPDATE: Well, I guess they did lose a lot of control at SiteAdvisor, maybe that is why they are taking it out on me.. dunno. This shows how things really are though. I have background material for all that want to see it.

 

Safe as houses...

 

Don't know if it has been mentioned but to speed up checking of pages you could try LinkExtend https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/linkextend-safety-kidsafe-site/ You can remove/disable everything and only have 1 button next to address bar. Will show you if one of the supported services pick something up. Does not slow down browsing that much, I never noticed when I used it.

Can see you are tasting a bit of the bad side effects of WOT. They are no better than Mcafee but might appear better - when votes are not being tinkered with that is. WOT almost begs to be exploited and all are part of beloved community, any click from anyone is appreciated Kick butt plugin though but still hidden problems if you think about their setup. I am convinced problems will grow proportional with their market share. If there is a chance to screw up results some people will do it. May be even companies hired for that task, blackhat SEO might be interested already. Remember when gaming Digg was hot? People cheat in games, try to increase viewer count, try to cheat Google rankings etc. People can't be trusted without reason, also not online. If these guys are convinced they are necessary for world security, and you just blew that up!, then they are probably pretty annoying.

I read your WOT thread, wish I had not, heh. Oh those guys with their clicks. I remember some of those names, total amateurs and close to it-illiterate. xxxxxx clicks later not much have changed. I wonder if that guy with 3 letter username is not the one I told to get a grip when he suggested a total scam program was ok because it was advertised via TV in US. Think so. I was out of there shortly after. Well notice one of them say "we" are members of many sites, not just WOT - and here comes the lists. He meant "proud members" believe me and he certainly did mean "WE". Try not do debate with them, they are busy fighting malware and serving communities I can't deal with these judges in a "complete democracy" as WOT. Which one of them have not received a WOT reward yet? They might influence people there, request more clicks etc. but dont overrate them. Just people obsessed with a hobby that is all. Very annoying when they tell war stories though, they have no clue but go wow and really?

I much prefer my little hacker forum when I feel like educating myself, way more useful security knowledge there. In a strange way perhaps but at least more attached to outside world.

 

The person said they were monitoring here, and may have posted here. Since Bitsum will come to an end, after a decade, and I will be unemployeed, I will at least expose this fraud if it comes to that. That is what I will now plan on though. Law enforcement should step in at that time. Even if they are the 'good guys', sometimes they have personal issues with a site owner. Just like a judge that can't decide a case for conflict of interest. Oh, and if using that analogy, let us not forget 'dirty cops' ... Sadly, it happens. I think the BROADER community would be happy if I expose this person.

 

And thanks for the support, recommendation, and general and help guys .

 

And now you can have more suspicion because who on Mcafee forums are also at WOTs? or here? (I must have missed it too, not that it matters) Waste of your time and possibly can keep problems going on for longer. I would not trust them to format a floppy but click they can. They probably have dual mouse setup to increase productivity and credibility in the community. What it takes to be a malware hunter. Anyway, they are of no importance or that much to blame - those in charge setting up conditions for these systems are.

 

And they are hitting the other domain too .. It just has a lot more reputation built up, but they are lowering it (just did). They are making sure I am shut down because I dare criticized them. Power corrupts, can't say it enough. That's why someone has to watch the watchmen. I plan to be out of business VERY shortly, as these people are obviously powerful and ready to use multiple fake zombie machines. Nothing I can do but go out of business. Afterwards, I'll let the FBI CyberCrime unit handle it.

 

It AMAZES me these people are under the delusion that they are acting ethically. They examine everyone's rectum so hard, then go pull this kind of stuff. Duck 'em is what I say. Go ahead, you ~ Snipped as per TOS ~. I will be homeless. I was there before. I will rise again, and my STORY will bring YOU down.

 

Out of the corner of my left eye I read something about privileged users, as in super users, of WOT or was it only Siteadvisor? With certain features available to them so they can do mass voting? I know WOT at least claims to give chosen/worthy users more weight than others already but this was a bit more than that. I think I ignored it on purpose and don't even want to find out, as if it was even possible, but you see it is tough to gain much from such people when they essentially are protecting their own system/them self. Security that can be questioned? Unheard of. If you get in to a fight with one of the regulars a whole bunch might turn up. They get called in if necessary if I know forum games correctly. So don't debate for days with them. Nothing in it for you.

Wait a week or so, then make a new thread asking for help to go green - if your stuff at that time has changed color. I don't see a reason to be in bed with those people just because WOT is installed and many do like it. You might get angry etc. or even think you are targeted because you speak up but seems to me someone will kick their own butt if votes change dramatically. But yes if they begged for red clicks you would go red, no doubt about that. Or from red to green, that is the idea with the forum. There are enough sheep to make it happen but I doubt much will change. Don't see how they can get away with that, not in their interest regardless of how much they think you are annoying. Major case of miscommunication more than anything else I think. Sneaky stuff with same people taking part of debate on all forums though. One big proud family. Ignore as much as possible. Either that or suck up to them and don't try to come off as critical towards these blockers, I think ignore is best for you

 

@ jcollake

Hi, first off i will say that, having used Process Lasso previously on another comp, i can state what a very unique App i thought it is

Regarding your issues, until today i had overlooked this thread, thinking it was about something else. I'm very sorry to hear about this, if it were me i would write directly to the CEO of those companies, getting straight to the point, without blinding them with too many words. I hope you do ASAP so you can get your life and business back on track

Regarding bots etc, i was staggered to see the amount of posts being made by more than one poster http://siteadvisorclassaction.com



Impossible i would say for a human to do, or if Any were, which i doubt, it's obvious to me they are out to cause trouble, and should be deleted and banned, as should Every other high single posters that come along, bots or otherwise. Quite why they are not ?

I wish you all the best, and hope it all gets sorted out in your favour Very quickly