shadow protect and IFW

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by sach1000rt, May 28, 2008.

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  1. sach1000rt

    sach1000rt Registered Member

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    which of these two will be easier to use for one of my friend who doesnt no that much about imaging etc. he just want to backup system drive.which will easier to create backups and restore of these two as these are popular here and i never played with these, and can recommend one to my friend.

    Im not trying to compare these two ,i just want to know which will be better for someone like novice in imaging.
     
  2. demoneye

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    100% sure SP (shadow protect) will suit you.

    ifw isnt match user friendly when need to restore from DOS mode on boot....(say the least :argh: )

    cheers:)
     
  3. ErikAlbert

    ErikAlbert Registered Member

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    I concur. SP is userfriendly. IFW isn't.
     
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    LOL :argh:
     
  5. Peter2150

    Peter2150 Global Moderator

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    I would agree SP. IFW is great, but unless you are good at "tinkering" you are stuck with IFD for restore, and that aside from slow isn't at all user friendly.

    Pete
     
  6. Brian K

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    That's a hard question to answer. It depends who's teaching him to use the software. Their preferences and techniques. Novices do strange things. If he is going to backup to DVDs, which I don't recommend, IFW can create a bootable recovery DVD containing the backup image. Put it in the optical tray, press Spacebar and the restore just happens. That's easy. No menu choices at all.
     
  7. Peter2150

    Peter2150 Global Moderator

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    HI Brian

    Are you sure. I've done it twice and there were menu options, and they are very confusing to the novice.

    Pete
     
  8. Brian K

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    Pete,

    I agree the IFD menus are daunting at first. The bootable DVD is "automatic." Press Spacebar and maybe Enter. That's it. If you don't press Spacebar you are offered a manual restore with IFD.
     
  9. Brian K

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    Pete,

    I just had another look at it. When the DVD boots, if you press Spacebar you are offered a manual IFD restore. If you don't press Spacebar, a few seconds later you are asked to click Yes for the restore.

    It's not something I use as I don't backup to DVDs.
     
  10. Peter2150

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    Good enough. The recovery CD's that velocity Micro ships (along with the windows CD) is actually an image DVD that is IFD. The tech support guys told me they hate having to do a restore as it usually is a half hour on the phone just getting past the start up.

    However I would also agree, this is probably easier then an SP restore.
     
  11. RobertB

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    Pete,

    I'm confused: it appears to me from your other posts in this thread (as well as those of the other users) that IFW is less easy or user-friendly than SP.

    Please clarify.

    Thanks,

    Robert
     
  12. Peter2150

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    Brian is right about the no menu restore, and I guess if you only have one disk it's no sweat, but with two, I wouldn't chance it picking the right disk so it's into the menu, and that's just not obvious.

    But with shadow protect you do have the wizard to go thru. I can do it in my sleep and could get on the phone and talk some one thru it, so I consider it easy. but to a noobie, if the system has only one disk, the IFD dvd approach could be simpler, albeit slooooooowwwwww.

    Does that help??
     
  13. Longboard

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    I would defer to Pete and Brian ..just a comment;

    The save to/restore from DVD is/can be fraught with issues
    : bad burns
    : bad media
    : tricky restores
    : Application/mb issues with CD or DVD drive recognition in restore environment

    FWIW, tell your friend to use USB drives or external or internal HD
    I think there are amazingly cheap solid state usb drives now of up to 16G !! in a 'thumb" format, and HUGE HD options.

    i cant comment on SP very much, I know the Terabyte utilities fairly well and they have always recognised my USB drives. Utterly reliable for me so far. (heh heh occas PEBKAU issues)
    Can restore with BING or IFD. Brian and MarkyMoo have tweaked Terabyte to amazing levels.

    There are threads galore here re options..
    Check Drive Snapshot for another very powerful utility.
    Markymoo has created a front end for DS which is a great tool.

    The one problem I have with Terabyte is the differential and incremental saves. No doubt brian could advise here.
    I just make regular images. Bit cumbersome but safe.

    SP seems to have sorted the incrementals and scheduling of same with rollbacks and consolidations very well.

    Both tools ( SP and Terabyte) offer free trials: have a look; check for HW compatibility and GUI end user issues before purchase.

    Terabyte does require some , umm, "willingness to engage" :D but gives ample returns.
     
  14. Brian K

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    Longboard,

    Just a plug for IFW differential images. I do weekly base images and twice daily diffs. By the end of the week the diffs are around 3% of the base size. Diff images take about half the time to create as do base images. But the times are irrelevant because I don't see the images being created. They are created in the background on a schedule. They can be created manually if you desire.


    PS... I think IFW is one of the simplest apps to use. There are four windows to click through.

    1. Backup or Restore
    2. Partition to Backup
    3. Location for Backup
    4. Options/Finish

    It takes me 11 seconds to click through these four windows.
     
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    OK I'll be checking it out again
    Yes :) :)
    No need to convince me: love the Terabyte apps here.

    I am still on the v1.x releases while waiting for BING v2 ;)
    Still eligible for the free update: good deal for me. :D
    I am off out and about today but will PM u re some details if I may.

    Sorry sach1000rt for intruding, hope these replies have helped your OP/
    Regards.
     
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