Discussion in 'other anti-malware software' started by Smiggy, Aug 4, 2008.
Cool You always find extraordinary things PROROOTECT, ever tried it?
Lol I think he tried it and that thing made him part of a brain-controlled Botnet that spams that link everywhere
Lol why he didn´t make it for windows, probably the author thinks that windows is the ultimate brainwasher.
There we got it:
The moment you start being aware of computer vulnerabilities, which means somebody might violate a certain cyber space that you see as belonging to you, things will never be the same on the internet. It's similar to personality changes that people undergo whenever they drive a car: The personal computer and the car become extensions of their own egos.
I used to really enjoy the internet when I wasn't aware of its potential dangers, I wasn't thinking about security as much as one doesn't think about security when you turn your TV on or making a phone call. If you are a Wilder's member with 30 + security applications or a minimalist like Longview (with the very basic hardware firewall and imaging program), you are still a member of a security forum which deals with internet vulnerabilities.
My level of paranoia on the internet somewhat changed as I'm no longer interested in avoiding a head on collision with malware and try to investigate what's what. If I suspect something is fishy, I just choose how to restore my system to a known secure state, and that's that. Call it a layered recovery strategy rather than layered defense. I'm still a paranoid.
According to this strong paranoid mindcontrol story there is no secure state. The system could be leaky by default.
Remember the actual and future strategy is a encapsulation of your OS combined with a parasitic virus that acts as kind of global bot-chat-spy control system.
If a joke, cute. Otherwise utter and total nonsense.
Maybe, maybe not. This is a non verifiable sphere unfortunately humans have no sensor to check that. But probably it is already extreme paranoid. Subsystem as mindcontroller nice idea, I had never found this thought myself.
Cheer , SystemJunkie , Emperordarius , Peter125 , Osaban and others : you have the sense of humor !!!
Yes , there is no security there are only different degrees of insecurity ? Yes ?..
So what ? even if someone else is looking in on this conversation why should any of us care ? Paperport loads in 4 seconds, Word works, Outlook collects my mail. The rest is a load of bull. If George Bush wants to see where I have been surfing today he is welcome. To be balanced and fair the same offer goes out to Osama binliner and all the other nutters in the world. Now if one of these madmen were to try and kill me then I might get just a little par-annoyed.
Very good statement Long View! A great attitude! You are right. Matchless example for serenity.
hey i advice you to have a baseball bat behind the door just in case
The massive walls already collapse due to their own weight ! LOL
Before I found this forum I didn't realize how much of a "hobby" internet security could be! Very interesting! As for being paranoid I am still in that stage After a couple of BIG MISTAKES I have now realized that my biggest enemy is myself!
Are we being overly paranoid? Depends on who the "we" is.
Most if not all seasoned Wilder's members have finally settled in to enjoy the massive trasitions to not only compliment their AV/AS of choice combo, but some have even turned exclusively to those new innovations like Sandboxes, ISR's, Virtual Machines, HIPS, DW, etc. and now thanks to such a concerted & equally aggressive effort on the part of security developers, it's finally reaped the dividends in return customers/users have been expecting for their investments in comparison to what they used to rely on alone, minus plenty of side effects like critical bug issues.
I said all that to mention this, malware "had" been on a long mostly unabated roll for many years due to their consistent reversing of the intelligence in AV's which is always been, and still is, a basic protection strategy irregardless of whatever firewall they run.
IMO, the strongest DEFENSE is finally arrived in such overwhelming numbers at one time of multiple security schemes against intrusive & malicious malware referring again above to just some of what is hit the scene in the past couple years.
So in essence, the more choices available, and different approaches now available, eliminates plenty of the paranoia factor which is been a reality, and still is for those not informed or well enough equipped.
But the tools are here now, it's up to the user to find or discover their way to them like following a map to safety thru a storm of waiting obstacles.
I'm paranoid in another way.
I don't install tons of security softwares,
but I am too obsessed in making the lightest security setup
with least softwares.
In other words, I'm in to being naked.
I started frequenting Wilders a few years ago and immediately started to learn things about security. Over time I have discovered apps I didn't know existed or didn't know much about and tried them. My best discovery so far is FD-ISR. Need I say more? I remember back when I only knew about Norton and McAfee. Thank God for the boys at Wilders. My box is now lean and mean.
I was a happy naive computer user who happened to stumble across Wilders when my Norton trial on my first computer ran out and I was looking for alternatives. Soon enough, I installed a FW with outbound protection and was shocked into reality. All these programs sending info back home. It was like that Rowdy Roddy Piper movie "They Live". Sampled almost every program that came along. Occasionally bsd'd but no infections whatsoever. Have since made the ultimate security move, installed linux. I have returned to my mundane existence.
Note that being naked is not equal to being without protection IMO.
I went the common route here:
Got infected, found Wilder's and Castle Cops
After reading X number of posts started loading on apps
Computer then had no malware, but Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
Decided to focus on computing habits/avoiding malware/system knowledge
Shed many apps, run 2 behind router
Can no longer finish my eggs before computer boots
If I ever get tempted, I look at my old receipts
I'm sure I know what you mean.
Interesting idea that you should expand upon.
To me being naked means NOT running programs that slow me down. So no AV no hips etc. am I without protection ? No. (1) Hardware Firewall (2) FF Noscripts
(3) mail collected by a company that checks mail and attachments before sending to me (4) check with secunia to see if correctly patched (5) Safe sender list in outlook...... (6) all drives secured by Shadow Protect if surfing to unknown places (7) Shadow Protect system images - just in case
Nothing special,common sense,Long View prtetty much summed it up.For me to replace scanning resident stuff gradually with virtualisation/imaging is the way to go (already though).
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YES , Ohmy , YES : I like to be naked , me too !
In fact it is about my Windows ANOREXIC ...
But I am a fanatic of some softwares , sometimes it is very difficult to say goodbye has my binary childern ...
PS. Recently (!) I succeeded in to know , how cause a drop in the use memory of explorer.exe which assembles ... Now , after the restarting of PC , available memory of my Windows is be situated at the extraordinary level few 808700 KB .
Before - it was already not badly : 795300 KB ...
I have Windows XP SP2 , 1 GB of RAM , 19 processes in Windows Task Manager - and 30 softwares to optimize and make safe Windows ... It's all! And I am not paranoiac .
You can see my recent acquisitions in the thread : Your NEW BEST Free softwares ... of 10 August 2008. Soon I would show my recent configuration in the thread : What is your security setup ... Coming Soon! ... to get ready ...
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