Rollback rx

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by gergy, Dec 21, 2005.

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  1. aigle

    aigle Registered Member

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    Thanks -surfer. It,s clear for me now.
    Just for an update, new version of Rollback is expected within a month as I am told by e-mail from them. But one news taht I disliked "When you update to the newer version of RollBack you will lose all your older
    snapshots - and your current snapshot will become your new baseline."
    Its, pretty bad.
    Just wonder if they can add some feature like storing your snapshots on CD/ DVD etc so that you can face a hardware failure as well.
     
  2. Acadia

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    I hate to say this, but knowing how RB works, this kind of makes sense. You can upgrade to new versions of FD and still keep your old Snapshots but again, knowing how FD works, this kind of makes sense too. Its a trade off. Each of these two fabulous programs have their individual advantages and disadvantages. I guess chalk this one up as a disadvantage for RB. But if you are absolutely sure that the current Snapshot is OK, then you are OK to upgrade to the new version.

    Acadia
     
  3. Atanar

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    1. Backup to DVD was not a system, only critical data, so the drive was not restored as such. I used Backupmypc which generates a qic file.

    Private email removed ~ Ron


    Even though the drive formatted alright and a System Mechanic surface scan reports zero bad sectors now, Rollback maintains that the drive was full of bad sectors. The reformat would have fixed those so we have no way of knowing. Anyway, a bad sector is not an uncommon occurrence and HDS should not, IMHO, have released an MBR program like this that could seemingly so easily lead to the demolition of a hard disk simply because they hadn't thought to include bad sector bypassing. HDS writes above that, as Rollback is rebuilding a baseline and the program is encountering bad sectors, "it won't do anything if it's bad." That was indeed the problem. Only it did do something: It stopped the rebuild in its tracks and required manual input. In this case there were hundreds of error code 100 (bad sector) dialog boxes. It would have taken hours clicking each on with no end in sight. That is why, after a couple of hundred, I pushed computer's reset. And that is why the hard disk became unreadable and led me to reformat it losing everything. I will not be using their new version which corrects this particular problem as I have lost trust in HDS.
     
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  4. Chris12923

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    First off sorry you lost your data. Second for anyone that reads this please make a backup before installing any major and sometimes minor softwares. This is not only with Rollback Rx but many other types of software as well.

    To say you have lost trust in a company because you find a rare bug is probably unneccesary but it is of course your decision. Thanks for letting us no of the problem you encountered though.

    Thanks,

    Chris
     
  5. aigle

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    Hi Atanar! I am sorry for the trouble you faced with Rollback but I will only say that no software is error proof and so is the Rollback!

    I want to ask one question from other users. As I am using Rollback, I have disabled all auto-snapshots except weakly snapshot. But I see some snapshots taken automatically by Rollback and don,t know why it is like that.
     

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  6. lu_chin

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    Does anyone know if Rollback Rx is compatible with whole disk encryption programs that will modify the boot sector in order to display a password protected login screen before loading Windows?

    Thanks,
    Lu Chin
     
  7. Chris12923

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    Probably if you look in Rollback Rx program settings-->Advanced Settings you will see it says "Take a snapshot of the system before defrag snapshots during restart". This is probably why. If you do not want this you can untick the box. Please let me know if this helps.

    Thanks,

    Chris
     
  8. Chris12923

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    I would think not but can not say 100%. I should have an answer for you by tomorrow. Maybe someone else has tried it and can let you know sooner.

    Thanks,

    Chris
     
  9. Peter2150

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    Before Chris comes back to us I am going to bet it would be a conflict.

    Having done a little homework on the MBR, what in essence it does is provide a jump instruction to the boot loader. So installing Rollback,FDISR, etc changes the MBR, so the jump instruction goes first to their code. Hence I would suspect that the you can't have two different programs where the MBR has to first determine where to jump to. I wouldn't chance it.

    Be interesting to see what HDS folks say.

    Pete
     
  10. lu_chin

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    Thanks Chris and Peter. I knew it might be a longshot but I was thinking Rollback Rx might do something like what GRUB did on Linux. GRUB was a bootloader utility that allowed multiple OSes to be booted on a single PC, so I guessed some kind of "daisychain" loading mechaism would start from the MBR to do this.
     
  11. Peter2150

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    Lu_Chin

    You might be right. I was sort of guessing, and could be wrong. Lets see what Chris comes back with. I will stand by my guess until proven wrong.:)

    Pete
     
  12. aigle

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    Can we use this product with RollbackRx, anybody have some idea?

    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1941342,00.asp
     
  13. ErikAlbert

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    I certainly wouldn't try and test both on the same computer, that's asking for trouble. IMO not a good way for testing software. I would test them separately.

    Each software requires time to LEARN and I'm not talking about getting familiar with it, I'm talking about how to use its possibilities in a way, I like.
    Any software that isn't based on blacklists, has my full attention and I don't care if the software is considered as security software or not. Altiris SVS is on my list.

    After that I can combine anything I like, I will soon find out if the combination doesn't work.
     
  14. Peter2150

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    It depends. Looking at the website I can't tell. It would take a call to them to inquire about mbr issues. I know I run AJC's Active Backup just fine, but I think it serves a different purpose, and doesn't go near the mbr.

    Pete
     
  15. Chris12923

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    The answer from HDS with permission is vague and probably not what you wanted to hear but... The general answer is that if the MBR is modified by the encryption program first and then you try to install Rollback it probably wont allow Rollback to modify the MBR. If Rollback is installed first and then the encryption software the software may install ok but probably will have system errors. If you can give me the name of a certain encrption program I can try it and see.

    Thanks,

    Chris
     
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    Thanks, I did so and will see now whether still it takes snapshots automatically or not?
     
  18. lu_chin

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    Thanks Chris. Two of the most popular whole disk encryption packages are PGP Desktop (http://www.pgp.com/) and Dekart Private Disk (http://www.dekart.com/). Such encryption programs are being used more often on laptops (especially by large companies to protect their sensitive data).

    Regards,
    Lu Chin
     
  19. aigle

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    I have two questions if anybody can answer.

    1- If I use live Linux CD with RollbackRx, can it damage the system?

    2- If I want to buy a disc imaging software, what should be my choice. I want a product that is easiest to use, with no issues. I am inclining towards Drive Image by TeraByte. ATI seems to have so many issues as I saw in this forum.
     
  20. pvsurfer

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    aigle~ Re your 1st question, I doubt there would be any damage, but can't say for sure. Re your 2nd question, I suspect that all disk-imaging programs will have the same success and/or issues with Rollback. I think you should make your choice on other factors, especially the driver-support for the specific devices you plan to use.

    As a TI user, I can tell you that since it's recovery boot CD is Linux-based, many TI complaints center about poor driver-support for certain USB devices and laser or wireless keyboards/mice. Also, TI does not natively support burning to DVDs, so if that's where you want to store your images, look elsewhere. Otherwise, it works great and is very reliable!

    ~pv
     
  21. Chris12923

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    No damage to your system should occur.

    You would probably see problems if TeraByte had a forum here as well. There is problems with all products. Just a matter of how hard you look for them. I have heard good things about TeraByte so this is a good choice as well as Acronis. Can't really comment on others since I haven't really heard good or bad.

    Thanks,

    Chris
     
  22. aigle

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    U are right Chris. Just wondering how many people here have tried Terabyte with Rollback and what was their experience.

    I wish for a feature in Rollback that one can copy his snapshots to a CD/ DVD for recovery in case of HD failure.
     
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  23. Peter2150

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    I use Terabytes Image for Windows with Rollback. I've had no trouble imaging, verifying, and mounting the image to extract a file from it. I've haven't tried a restore to this point.
     
  24. pvsurfer

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    According to HorizonDataSys, that is in their queue for a future release!
     
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    Pete~ 'Ditto' here - using TrueImage and Rollback. Also as in your situation, I don't know what will happen if and when I try to restore TI's disk-image (which contains a Rollback-modified MBR)! ~pv
     
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