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Discussion in 'sandboxing & virtualization' started by biatche, May 14, 2007.

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  1. tradetime

    tradetime Registered Member

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    Returnil uses a Virtual Partition which is setup, and the size allocated by you during the install of the program. When I trialed it I had the VP size set at 1GB, all other changes tke place in memory, if that answers your question, though am not sure exactly what you are gtting at. PowerShadow I know nothing about
     
  2. Huupi

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    At setup a choose not to make a virt.part. Had never any problems as several users report about these VP.[defrag !?!]
     
  3. Long View

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    have never bothered to use the virtual partition as I have other drives or partitions for data
     
  4. twl845

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    Hi Coldmoon, I get the impression you're the Returnil rep, so I'll steer my newbie question to you. :) As I read the posts in this thread about Returnil, I can't understand a few things. Can I turn Returnil on and off at will? In other words if I access the web, can I turn it on and after signing off the web turn Returnil off?
     
  5. Coldmoon

    Coldmoon Returnil Moderator

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    Hi twl845,
    You can turn the protection/session lock feature on at any time. To turn the protection off you will need a reboot to complete the process.

    Mike
     
  6. LockBox

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    Thanks for that information, innerpeace. Very helpful!
    I think I actually prefer PowerShadow 2.6 because it doesn't mess with the MBR.
     
  7. Peter2150

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    It also doesn't protect you from anything else messing with the mbr. Not good.
     
  8. innerpeace

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    Your welcome :). What I meant is that PS version 2.6 doesn't protect against MBR changes while your are in shadow mode. Returnil and PS 2.8.2 protect against such potentially harmful changes. I think it was Peter2150 that was testing Returnil and found that 'flaw' and Returnil fixed it very quickly to their credit and Peter2150s.

    innerpeace
     
  9. Long View

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    just installed the new beta. I still get one error message when using Perfect disk
    for an offline Defrag but 1 is better then 2 I suppose.
     
  10. [suave]

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    I'm using Returnil on a test PC of mine and there are definitely some things I like about it.

    Well first I must mention that I have been using Deep Freeze on one of my PCs for about a year and a half now and counting. I love Deep Freeze, never had any problems with it and it never let me down so switching to something else is not so easy for me to do.

    What I like about Deep Freeze it that it's as simple as can be. There aren't any settings or features really. The only options are 1) Frozen (Protection On) 2) Thawed (Protection Off). And this simple thing is why I love it so much. Of course they have an advanced version of the software with all the extra features you could ever imagine, but that's way too much for me. I like things simple.

    I already see a lot of features in Returnil and read this thread where Mike stated there are some new features on the way. I only hope Returnil doesn't become bloated with different settings and features. Maybe making a simple version and an advanced version would be a good idea (like Deep Freeze).

    Anyways, even though I love Deep Freeze so much, I also love saving money :)

    Since Returnil is free I figured I'd give it a shot.

    And after giving it a shot, I have to admit, I do like it. Although I would like it even better without all the "extra" features but that's only my personal preference.

    Anyways, I have a question about Returnil:

    With the protection off, I deleted the registry key under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run for rvsystem.exe in order to prevent the Returnil GUI from loading when I start up my PC. I then turned the protection on and rebooted my PC.

    When it booted back up, obviously the Returnil GUI did not start up. But surprisingly, the protection was still working (which is what I had hoped for). I trashed the system, rebooted, and the system was back to normal, even though Returnil was not loaded.

    So my question is, how does Returnil still work when it isn't even loaded? I even fired up some advanced task managers and verified that there are no hidden processes or anything running on the PC but yet, Returnil still works.

    This is something that I like because I'd rather not have the Returnil GUI loaded if it is not needed. But I still would like to know how this works so I can have a better understanding if I choose to switch from Deep Freeze. I know Deep Freeze, for example, installs a service and has two processes loaded in memory at all times. But with Returnil, nothing is loaded but the GUI (which can be closed but the protection still works) o_O

    I like that, but I need to understand it. So please explain when you get a chance. Thanks :thumb:
     
  11. Coldmoon

    Coldmoon Returnil Moderator

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    Hello suave,
    Don't fear, we share your opinion of bloat...

    This is because Returnil uses Kernel Mode Drivers (2) and not processes

    Mike
     
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    Ahh yes now it all makes sense :)

    So just to be sure, I can disable the GUI from loading on every reboot and not suffer any consequences right?

    Basically, I'll only need to fire up the GUI during the times I need to make changes to the protection status.
     
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    All i can add to this is keep up the RETURNIL improvements when viable. This is yet another GREAT generosity from Technology Genious's who ARE NOT AFRAID to share, and this kind of offering INSPIRES more than just TRUST, but LOYALTY and especially encourages researchers like myself to shell out for purchases from this sort of Company in the future. IMO, this practice is EXACTLY how to establish a permanant customer base for other products or some Advanced Versions.

    It can make for a common practice of freely donating/contributing to a company like this who goes well out of their way with their hard work and excellent technically talented effort to accommadate in this manner a very satisfying experience.

    It's worth supporting it by a large margin. It also shows real Class! :thumb:
     
  14. Huupi

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    Just installed Returnil again on my comp. after trialling Shadowdefender because it BSOD both my comp.With Returnil it never happen and always worked as expected.
     
  15. Firebytes

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    Is the new version of Returnil not going to be free any longer? I only ask because on their website it speaks of a free 30 day testing license for beta testers and a free one year license to beta testers who provide the most feedback. Am I reading this wrong and drawing the wrong conclusions? o_O

    http://www.returnilvirtualsystem.com/index_files/29082007.htm
     
  16. twl845

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    I went to the home page, and under Products, the home personal edition says free.:)
     
  17. Firebytes

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    twl845, did you go to the link I provided and read there?
     
  18. twl845

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    Yes, but Idon't know what to make of it after reading the home page, unless your page isn't about the personal version.o_O
     
  19. Coldmoon

    Coldmoon Returnil Moderator

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    Hi,
    The offer is for a free license for the Business Edition as a thank you to the feedback from active beta testers. The Personal Edition is free for home users on a single computer.

    HTH
    Mike
     
  20. Firebytes

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    Thanks for taking the time to clear up my confusion Coldmoon.
     
  21. kennyboy

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    Must say, outstanding support from this company. Rare isn't it nowadays.
     
  22. Espresso

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    Just installed the new beta version that's supposed to work with SATA/IDE drives but I get a "System cannot find the file specified" error when I try to lock the session. I had a look with filemon but there was no attempted file access by the program.
     
  23. JackDinn

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    So what was the upshot of these too returnil errors
    error 149012
    error 189037
    as I am also getting these errors on occasion, I have looked through the forum and found several comments on this exact problem but haven't really found a definitive answer.
    I have also posted to the returnil help service but have yet to receive a response.
    I apologise if I am showing my ignorance in the fact that this problem has already been resolved or finalised in anyway, and if it has could someone please point me in the right direction.

    I include a copy of the mail that I sent to returnil:

    when i use the returnil virtual drive as the working area for downloading .torrent files all seems ok, the DL finishes and i can access what i have DL`ed and all seems fine, but when i reset the pc i get 2 Returnil errors
    returnil errors 149012 & 189037
    on the blue screen during boot up.
    the pc does finish booting and loads windows, however...
    1. the virtual drive is no longer mounted and i have to mount it myself.
    2. the RVS sys protection is no longer on
    3. all of the RVS settings have been reset to default "i think". i have to re-click auto mount V Drive, re-click show RVS icon in tray, mount the V drive manually to access it, and reset the protection to ON.

    i have 2 2GB Vdrive
    i am DL`ing video approx 800MB
    i am using uTorrent to DL

    but odd thing is that if i just copy a vid file manually into the Vdrive and then reset pc, there is no problems.
    Thx for your help and btw i love the software when its working properly ingenious idea

    Many thx
    Greg.
     
  24. Coldmoon

    Coldmoon Returnil Moderator

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    Hello Espresso and JackDinn,
    Please verify that you are using the latest Beta build. To be sure, please use the links in the following thread:

    https://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=184101

    The current builds are as follows:

    RVS Business Edition (Build 1.70.6162)
    RVS Personal Edition (Build 1.70.6160)

    Thanks
    Mike
     
  25. Espresso

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    Needed a newer build. Problem solved. :thumb:
     
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