Relaunch XP ?

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  1. wtsinnc

    wtsinnc Registered Member

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    If MS would get away from their "one OS fits all devices" or at least make different interfaces for each device, it would work just fine. Instead they try to make the same OS work on everything which sticks everyone with a compromise solution that isn't right for anything.
     
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    The only issue I'm having with Xp right now is that it doesn't support GPT partitioned drives and there is no third party solution that lets me use a 2.5TB USB drive with 32 bit XP. It is things like this that will lead me to slowly stop using it, not the security scare that is being put out.
     
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    It's ludicrous that they want to rollback to such an outdated interface. Start menu search, pinned dock, etc. all gone for "user-friendly" traditional Windows... Don't make me laugh.
     
  5. NormanF

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    XP is the best operating system Microsoft built, period. It has its legions of devoted users. Who still stick with it more than 12 years later. :thumb:
     
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    I disagree. In my opinion Windows 7 is many times better than XP, and even Vista is way ahead. Even the much hated Windows 8 is better.

    XP was awesome when it was first released, but it has been surpassed by later operating systems.

    Edit: But there are two things I really miss about XP, the ability to do a repair install by booting from the XP DVD (note this is completely unrelated to the Startup Repair introduced in Vista). The second one is being able to install a service pack again. This can fix a lot of Windows problems. However in Vista or later you can't reinstall a service pack.
     
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    I believe that what (most) people want in an operating system is that it does it's job efficiently, is inherently secure, and be user friendly- that process and procedure are carried over from the previous incarnation so to minimize the learning curve.
    It is with that third element that XP users are having trouble relative to Windows 8.

    Learning to use Windows 8 in it's present incarnation is not unlike learning to use a Linux distro, so why pay for W-8 when Linux can be had for free ?
     
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    MisterB,

    Use BIBM to let WinXP see 2 TB of that HD and Win7/8 will see the full 2.5 TB.
     
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    Totally agree
     
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    Agreed.

    After googling repair install for vista i came across a discussion on microsofts website about this omission.

    Their excuse was that it can produce an unstable enviroment after the repair.

    So why didnt they include it but add a warning about instability?
    Seems a lot of people are annoyed about the lack of a repair install.
     
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    My personal experience on each occasion I utilized this feature on XP was an unstable system afterwards,so I always ended up performing a fresh installation,but it was a good idea in theory.

    I think that system imaging/snapshotting has rendered this feature obsolete now though.
     
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    Depends how often you remember to image :)

    I image myself but sometimes you run out of space or you forget etc.
     
  14. DoctorPC

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    What a hideous idea.

    XP interface is an abomination in todays world, and I couldn't tolerate that interface for even a minute, much less Windows7 after running 8.1 feels dated, and slow.

    People just need to let XP die.. My god.
     
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    People like the Luna interface - Microsoft effectively utilized the KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid - principle here.

    That's why its had such a long life its been simple, easy to navigate and could be kept running virtually forever.

    In Windows 9, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Microsoft returns to its classic Windows roots. That's always been the big money-maker for the company.
     
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    Actually for me, WinXP interface is way faster than Win7 interface... The same can be said about running games (or any other kind of software) under WinXP.

    And if we are talking about tolerating interfaces, I could say that Metro is "an abomination in today's world, and I couldn't tolerate that interface for even a minute".
     
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    So cascading menus and quick launch are superior to search and dock? Maybe if you have excellent memory and don't mind wasted space.

    As for speed, I'd like to see any discernible difference in modern machines, especially with Aero off.
     
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    Wrong, on every account.

    Many modern games won't even run on WindowsXP, and MOST of the games coming out in 2014 onward, won't even run on it. Why? The new game engines being developed are *ALL* 64-Bit only.. The constraints on game development in 32-Bit are too tight, and have held back gaming for too long. Statistics are showing Windows 8.1 is not only faster than Windows 7 in almost every metric, it destroys XP in every metric. Windows 8.1 boots in less than 7 seconds from cold start on my machines.

    The irony is, Windows 8.1 installed on older, slower laptops, outperforms virtually every OS option you can deploy onto it. Including Ubuntu. That includes WindowsXP, which people still claim is 'best' on older hardware. (absolutely not true)

    So let's bury the distortions, and get the facts out there. XP needs to die.

    http://news.softpedia.com/news/Wind...-XP-on-a-7-Year-Old-Laptop-Video-329809.shtml
    Windows 8 Is Twice as Fast as Windows XP on a 7-Year-Old Laptop

    http://itnews2day.com/2013/02/18/windows-8-vs-windows-xp/
    With this conventional wisdom bet Troy Hunt, software architect and winner of the title of Microsoft MVP. Experts have found that Windows XP, running on the 7-year old laptop is noticeably inferior to the performance of fresh Windows 8.

    Gaming? 8.1 wins out. (over both XP and 7)
    http://forums.evga.com/tm.aspx?m=2042539
     
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    I think your words are pretty appropriate in this case :)
    I didn't encounter (yet) a modern game that didn't work on my Windows XP. As for new games being developed being 64 bits only, I'd like to see some proof to that, if possible, because I have never heard of such thing before. And about the constraints, the only serious constraint for 32 bit applications is memory usage; I agree that more memory helps when playing games, but I wouldn't call this "holding back gaming"...

    About newer versions of Windows being way faster than XP... I didn't try Windows 8 or 8.1 (and I will probably never will, given their horrible interface concept) so I can't say anything about their performance, but I did try Win7 and I compared it to XP. Win7 wasn't in any way faster in gaming/synthetic benchmarks than XP, but it is slower in rendering program interfaces. This was to be expected, because 2D is less accelerated in 7 compared to XP (even though it has some improvements in other areas). If you are interested, you can read a summary of those differences regarding 2D graphics here: http://www.passmark.com/support/performancetest/2d_windows7_performance.htm
     
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    Windows 7 and 8/8.1 are faster than XP on a newer machine.

    On a computer built at the time XP was the current OS, Windows 7 and 8 are only marginally faster. The bottleneck is primarily the older hardware.
    If you can operate in AHCI mode and replace the hard drive in an older machine with a SSD or even a hybrid drive, the difference is way less.

    Updated/upgraded hardware and proper configuration, eliminating unnecessary start-up applications, and keeping the computer free of garbage do far more to improve overall speed than some inherent magic in the OS.

    -Besides-

    The importance of boot speed is way overrated.
     
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    Literally, half the games in development right now are 64-Bit only.

    One of the reasons is, Stardock and a few other pioneers developed the engine used in many upcoming games, and it is 64-Bit only.

    X-Rebirth, Star Citizen, and a few others are 64-Bit only. War Thunder Ground Forces is 64-Bit only. The fact is, developers are held back by people refusing to run 64-Bit operating systems, and many are taking a stand - and moving forward. Civilization 6 will be 64-Bit only as well.

    Mantle is replacing DirectX11, and is 64-Bit only;
    http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/14/oxide-star-swarm-real-time-strategy-mantle-demo/

    Oxide is the major new development, many upcoming games. 64-Bit Only.
    http://www.oxidegames.com/press/announcement

    Sorry guys, XP is dead, buried.. Let it go. Windows 8.1 is probably the fastest, most streamlined OS Microsoft has ever released -even on older hardware. There is literally no reason to NOT switch to it, given the dumb start menu is now back. Windows 7 feels incredibly slow in comparison, but XP feels hideous. Anyway, April is the death of XP regardless of what anyone says or does. Most XP holdouts I know are migrating to 8.1 as we speak.
     
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    XP is still good for legacy games. You have to have discrete audio hardware and/or software (e.g. Creative X-Fi using Creative Alchemy) in order to get 3d sound with most legacy titles on Vista +. Otherwise you'll just have simple 2 channel stereo panning without any 3d or surround sound at all.

    To the OP, I agree, not a chance.
     
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    Umm. People do know that the eyecandy can be disabled in Windows 7... Right?
     
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    Not everyone that has a PC, is buying a PC now, or plans to buy one in the future is a gamer. So if the crux of your assertion is that XP should die because of gaming viability, I can't help but think the argument, in that context, is absurd. Now if you press further about performance issues, which I won't deny for some will be a must, not everyone is sailing that boat either. Most reasonable people already know that a 12 yr old OS is not going to be on par, performance-wise, with the newer iterations. Most of us know this, accept it, and are still happy with our XP soldiering on.
     
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