Question regarding Active @ Boot Disk Creator

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by icr, Jul 22, 2011.

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  1. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

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    Scott,

    I only use IFW in Active@ for restores. I don't use it for image creation.
     
  2. Scott W

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    In other words, you only create hot-images -- correct?
     
  3. Brian K

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    Yes. On my main computers I haven't created a cold image for over 8 years, since PowerQuest Drive Image 7 was released. I do create hot and cold images on my test computer. Whichever is most convenient at the time. All of my images are automated and I don't click through menus anymore.
     
  4. Brian K

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    Scott, this is interesting. If you create the base image in Active@ you can create a differential. It's only if the base image was created in Windows there is a problem. Somehow the base must be slightly "different" in the two environments.

    I've noticed a similar error in Windows. If you create a base image and then resize the partition, you can no longer create a diff. You have to create a base again.

    Edit ... I just restored the diff image in Active@. No problems. And I just realized I didn't get a PHYLock error with creating or restoring the image. Do you have ifw.ini on your CD?
     
  5. Brian K

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    Scott, weird results. I've used IFW from both Active@ and the TerabytePE CDs and I don't get PHYLock errors when I create images. It makes no difference if PHYLock is enabled or not. I've seen the error in the past but I can't recall when. Anyway there are no errors now and I wonder why we differ.
     
  6. andylau

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    On WinPE, PHYLock is not necessary because the volume/partition is not locked

    PHYLock is necessary when you are doing hot-image
     
  7. Brian K

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    andylau,

    See post #39
     
  8. andylau

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    Quite strange, I have not faced this issue

    Maybe this issue should be passed to TB's support.
     
  9. Scott W

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    Brian, both my full-image and diff-image are (in all cases) created after booting up with Active@ (or another WinPE) and running imagew.exe from the PE disk! I have experience both the Phylock and diff issues using IFW 2.65a, 2.65b and now 2.66.


    Yes, the folder contains imagew.exe, imagew.ini and ifw.ini.

    Edit: Fwiw, here are the contents of in my ifw.ini (imagew.ini just contains my license):

    [BACKUP_DEFAULTS]
    BackwardsCompatible=1
    SaveLog=0
    PostValidate=0x1
    RawMode=1

    [OPTIONS]
    ShowNetwork=0
    PHYLockUseReg=0x1
    SaveLog=0
     
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  10. Scott W

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    Hi Andy,

    Yeah I've been encountering lots of strange events, starting with corrupted (WinXP) indexes after using the Active@ Boot Disk to IFW Phylock and differential image issues (when creating cold-images)! :doubt:

    Does TB even support using IFW as a 'portable app'? I considered contacting them but then thought they would just tell me to use IFD/IFL to create images from a boot disk...

    Scott
     
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  11. Brian K

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    Scott,

    Could you try the official TeraByte WinPE with IFW. If it produces the same errors then Support would have to get involved. Please let us know what happens. I tried this TeraByte CD again yesterday and PHYLock errors don't appear for a backup. It will only create a diff if the base was created from the CD. (I note you can't do this with Active@ but I can so something is weird)

    http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/howto/tbwinpe_tutorial.htm



    Edit.. your ifw.ini is much the same as mine but I don't have

    BackwardsCompatible=1
    RawMode=1
     
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  12. Scott W

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    Brian,

    Creating TB's WinPE appears to be rather involved and time-consuming, so I don't think I'll have the time to do that until Jan 2012, but please know that I appreciate your tenacity with my weird IFW issues.

    Fwiw, I'm also using a trial version of Drive Snapshot and it doesn't give me any VSS (it doesn't use Phylock) warnings or problems with differentials when creating cold-images. So far I like it a lot. :thumb:

    Thanks,
    Scott
     
  13. Brian K

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    Creating the TeraByte WinPE is the fastest I've seen. Only 3 or 4 minutes.
     
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    BackwardsCompatible=1
    RawMode=1
    You can un-check these two boxes and test again first, see if it is affected by these two settings or not.

    You need not to create a new PE unless you get the same result in Active's bootcd.
     
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    Yes it is very fast. Scott W, is this something we can help with?
     
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    Re Andy's first suggestion, unchecking 'Backwards Compatible' makes no difference as to the Phylock warnings and the differential image problem.

    Re his second suggestion, while unchecking 'Raw Mode' might possibly affect one or both of my issues, as a Rollback Rx user I have to create raw 'cold' images (and yes, I have read about TheRollbackFrog's raw 'hot' imaging method using IFW, but I'm not too 'comfy' messing with the Windows registry)! :doubt:

    Re Brian's suggestion to build and try a TB WinPE, I'm of the impression that involves downloading the Windows 7 AIK which is very large and would take a long time for me to download. In addition, there are the following issues:

    First of all, the AIK has to be burned to a DVD and then installed. I'd have to burn it on our Vista desktop as my WinXP laptop only has a CD-writer / DVD-reader. But most of all I'm concerned about how a Win7-based PE would run on my (older) WinXP laptop and even if it does boot-up I find it hard to believe that won't result in chkdsk finding and repairing corrupted XP indexes similar to what I experience everytime I bootup with the Active@ Boot Disk (as I first reported in this thread)! o_O

    Scott
     
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  17. Brian K

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    The CD boots and runs normally on all the old WinXP computers I've tried.
    Your chkdsk errors are interesting. I gather these occur after using the Active@ CD and it doesn't seem related to using IFW.

    Out of interest, you can run IFW from a Win7 (or Vista) 32-bit DVD. That could be a quick way of seeing if you get the same chkdsk errors with your WinXP computer. Yes, the Win7 (Vista) DVD and IFW will work on your WinXP computer. No installation needed, just boot from the DVD and run IFW.

    I just did an IFW backup from a Win7 DVD and didn't get a PHYLock error message. You still can't create a diff from a base image not created from the DVD.
     
  18. Scott W

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    That is correct. As a matter of fact, if I boot into Active@' PE (CD or USB) to run Drive Snapshot and then restart WinXP afterwards, running chkdsk reveals the very same index-errors!


    While that's a good idea, no installation DVD came with our Vista desktop!

    Scott
     
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  19. mantra

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    can i add DriveImage XML V2.30 ?

    Brian
    could be added DriveImage XML V2.30 ?
    runtimes releases a BartPE Plugins

    would like to know if there is a way to let it work with active@boot disk

    i read DriveImage XML V2.30 it's very trusty and support w7

    thanks
     
  20. Brian K

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    Re: can i add DriveImage XML V2.30 ?

    mantra,

    I guess so. Just put the plugin on a USB flash drive, boot into Active@ and run the plugin. Does it work?
     
  21. mantra

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    Re: can i add DriveImage XML V2.30 ?

    nope i added the program not the plugin
    why should i add the plugin
     
  22. Brian K

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    I just checked the plugin. It doesn't work from a flash drive.
     
  23. mantra

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    and the program too
    is there a way to know which dll needs?
    maybe copy the dll in the same folder could work
     
  24. andylau

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    Dependency Walker
     
  25. treehouse786

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    download the plugin- http://www.runtime.org/driveimage_xml.cab

    extract the plugin using 7zip

    copy all files to a folder, run the exe to start the program

    the program should now work in portable mode from within windows or from the active@ boot disk :thumb:

    should work on all storage mediums
     
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