[Public Beta] Returnil Virtual System 2008

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  1. Coldmoon

    Coldmoon Returnil Moderator

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    New Build Available

    Returnil Virtual System 2008 Premium Edition

    Build 2.0.0.4080

    http://www.majorgeeks.com/Returnil_Virtual_System_2008_Premium_Edition_Beta_d5841.html

    New

    * Russian (Русский язык) language support

    Updated

    * French (Français) language support - The Returnil 2008 interface now supports Brazilian Portuguese, Chinese Simplified, English, French, Italian, and Russian

    Fixed

    * Issue where the RVS real disk explorer did not handle compressed archives properly on some systems

    Thank you to all who have sent in feedback

    Kind Regards
    Mike

    Edit: Corrected Chinese language support to Simplified rather than Traditional
     
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    EASTER Registered Member

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    AWESOME material here.

    Just wanted to weigh in with that since these latest versions are operating nicely from this end so far. This is been of great benefit and from the looks of things only will get better.

    EASTER
     
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    EASTER Registered Member

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    QUIK QUEST (?)

    Users/testers alike of course harbor the appetite to double up apps like for one example SandboxIE with Returnil, my question is that since RETURNIL safely returns the system back again to starting points which would include SandboxIE also, i'm trying to get a firm handle on this combo whether it is really of useful advantage or not, so anyone care to comment or offer some brief opinions & purpose for such implimentation of this dual artificial environment at the same time?

    Only answer i can pull up is that with a tandem pairing with Returnil, apps like SandboxIE serve in this operational fielding as On-The-Fly dismissing while in-session if something of concern lodges in the Sandbox one might feel need or confidence to throw off before rebooting.


    Thanks

    EASTER
     
  4. demoneye

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    i am using this method for couple of weeks and its ownz. they both work together flawless.

    the disadvntage of returnil is when the malware escape to other drive/partition u toatsed.so they unvented sandboxie to cover this vulenerablety :)

    cheers :thumb:

    Thanks
     
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  5. EASTER

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    I expected as much.

    Due to the UNKNOWN factor of just what is purposed with malware code, is the very reason i throw ahead a reliable HIPS (EQS) to serve as gatekeeper of sorts.

    Beyond that, SandboxIE traps ANY entry be they good or bad and as a finale Returnil is fashioned as such that it dumps or cancels any/all OBJECTS directed at what it believes to be a raw authentic system, in effect dismissing even any potential offending commands to the Genuine real system disk.

    Safe results look efficient enough to me, i've tested some various theories but out of curiosity focused on the solo ability of this single app to see how well it could PREVENT against being overtaken.
     
  6. Huupi

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    for many now Sandboxie is their sole protection,some wellknown members here on Wilders ditched their anti....and all.Perhaps if get my feeling for Sandboxie growing i wil do also,for the moment i haven't the guts to do that.
     
  7. MikeNAS

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    Little bit offtopic but I'm using Shadow Defender with Sandboxie. All drives are Shadowed plus empty Exclusion List and Commit Now.
     
  8. Coldmoon

    Coldmoon Returnil Moderator

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    Hi demoneye,
    This is a bit misleading as the system would not be "toasted"

    Just because this content could be saved to an alternate partition, it does not mean it would cause your system damage as it would be inactive. At worse you would see what I like to call a "bouncing ball" where an unwary user could activate that content, but unwanted/malicious changes to the System Partition would be lost at reboot while using System Protection.

    Further, this effect is a moot point for the majority of systems in the West that only have a single partition on their HDD's. Remember the design philosophy behind RVS is simple, effective, and targeted protection ;)

    There is a ballance that must be struck between battening down the hatches and user experience. Expert users like those here at Wilder's use their systems in ways that the average user simply would not do.

    Our approach is to establish rock-solid stability and performance that serves the needs of the majority of our users with branch development for more advanced features for specialized application as we go forward.

    We strongly believe that development is not about "racing to the finish line" with potential competitors; rather it is about serving the real world needs of our customers and users...

    Kind regards
    Mike
     
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    Coldmoon Returnil Moderator

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    This is a healthy perspective and one that has relevance to the majority of new and average users. There has to be some form of feedback in the system if only to verify that that system is working. For these same experts, they have the requisite experience and knowledge to serve as that verification as they will know when the system requires adjustment or correction.

    New and average users are still properly served with on-demand verifications and some form of targeted screening of incoming content...

    Mike
     
  10. Coldmoon

    Coldmoon Returnil Moderator

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    Hi MikeNAS,
    As a strict policy I do not comment on competitor's products and respect discussions that are centered on them. This keeps the "I am better than you" exchanges to a minimum. If this combination works for you and you are happy with it, then that is ok, but I think a discussion of this would be better served in another thread...

    Kind regards
    Mike
     
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    You pretty much got it Easter, I use this combo, Sandboxie allows me to surf and dump without reboot so subsequently I can log into sensitive sites periodically without worrying if I have picked anything up surfing elsewhere.
    This is particularly useful on my desktop which is only rebooted on a weekend, so far the combo seems to work very well.
     
  12. Chuck57

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    I, too, use the combo of Returnil and Sandboxie, with DeepFreeze. I've never had anything get through and, lately, I've been trolling a couple of sites looking as mentioned in another thread. Sandboxie has been unbeatable. I'm confident that if anything gets through Sandboxie that Returnil will stop it. Finally, I'd like to think DeepFreeze will do its job if anything manages to get through both.

    At this point in time, I'm fully confident enough in the above combination that I don't run antivirus or any other security software. I like how much faster my computer is without assorted 'stuff' on it, too.
     
  13. Coldmoon

    Coldmoon Returnil Moderator

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    New Build Available

    Returnil Virtual System 2008 Premium Edition

    Build 2.0.0.4084

    http://www.majorgeeks.com/Returnil_Virtual_System_2008_Premium_Edition_Beta_d5841.html

    Updated

    * English language support
    * Italian Language support
    * Russian Language support

    Fixed

    * Corrects an issue in the VP formatting during install that would cause the formatting to fail on some systems if the user assigned a non-default drive letter

    Thank you to all who have sent in feedback

    Kind Regards
    Mike
     
  14. Chuck57

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    Am running the current build now. It's performing flawlessly. Not a single complaint from this licensed user.
     
  15. MikeNAS

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    Sorry if you understand my post like that. I just mean that any virtualization program plus sandboxie is powerful duo.
     
  16. Coldmoon

    Coldmoon Returnil Moderator

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    Hi Mike,
    Not so much that your post was interpreted that way by me, just a cautionary note for those who might want to take a walk down that particular road...

    Mike
     
  17. djg05

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    I have been following this thread but have not seen whether or not Retunil operates at a base level or just controls whatever you decide to run in it. So it is still reliant on a f/w to control anything, good or bad, that you have on you m/c.
     
  18. Peter2150

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    Hi David

    Returnil doesn't control anything. What it does is on reboot removes any changes you've made to your system.

    Pete
     
  19. Coldmoon

    Coldmoon Returnil Moderator

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    Hi djg05,
    Can you expand on your question with a bit more detail?

    thanks
    Mike
     
  20. djg05

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    Hi Mike

    What I thought Returnil was doing was to take charge of the connection outside of the computer, but thinking more about I think I have got the wrong impression. Instead it would seem to be in the Sandbox area where you chose what you would like to run in it
     
  21. Coldmoon

    Coldmoon Returnil Moderator

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    Hi,
    This page at Wiki might help as a starting point when trying to distinguish between the different types of virtualization:

    http://wiki.castlecops.com/Lists_of_freeware_virtualization

    See the "Partition virtualization" section where RVS is listed

    Mike
     
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    Thanks, that has made it clearer and what I was trying to understand. I think that Scott's makes it clearer in that it shows the virtual m/c working at a certain level in a stack.
     
  23. Bollo

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    Another question Coldmoon, how can I update my Returnil's installation with a new beta...must uninstall the old one and install the new!? :D

    Also, I saw that you cannot use the File Manager with hidden or system files..at least some games and programs store their settings in files hidden in the "Application Data" folder that it's hidden...dont' know how to save them to the real partition using the File Manager...

    Also I don't know if it was fixed in the last beta. :D

    Thanks in advance.
    Bollo
     
  24. Coldmoon

    Coldmoon Returnil Moderator

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    Yes, you must uninstall the old and then install the new.

    You can't navigate to them inside the File Manager Explorer, but you can navigate to them in Windows Explorer. Simply navigate to the hidden file or folder you are interested in and then drag and drop them into the open File Manager Window and they will be added to your list.

    Alternately you can import and export your file manager list or make a list from scratch:

    1) Open NotePad and name it "FMlist.txt"
    2) Enter the exact path to the file or folder on a single line. As you would do with a HOSTS file edit, do not use enter at the end of the line unless the next line will have an additional entry.
    3) Open the RVS File Manager and then use the "Import List" link and select the text file you just created in #2

    If you want to save the file or folder immediately you can select from the following methods if the appropriate preference is activated:

    1) Navigate to the file or folder in Windows Explorer and right click your target and then select the option in the menu to commit the file or folder to disk OR
    2) Drag and drop the file or folder on your RVS Toolbar

    Mike
     
  25. EASTER

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    @Coldm00n

    Hi Mike. Want to pass along my thanks for your vigilence and expert analysis and responses to RETURNIL questions or concerns. Want to assure you i speak for everyone here in expressing our appreciation for all you do on our behalf as well as this excellent product.

    One question please:

    Although RETURNIL now affords users an additional option of creating and operating in the context of a virtualized file in addition to memory, could you just briefly refresh us which is most favored in comparison from your point of view.

    It would appear to me that the memory virtualization is most isolated and thus preferable of the two, but your the resident specialist/representative in this fabulous creation. Since a customer/user can create a virtual storage in either mode, the ladder available to be moved and/or stored, does this approach In your opinion carry the most potential of the two options in form of security and protection? I tried the file approach but quickly found myself opting to it's original design of memory-only virtualization, having only the storage (VP) to cabinet downloads etc. for saving.

    Thanks EASTER
     
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