Prolongation of Agnitum's lifetime license offer till January 31, 2009

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  1. Minimax2000

    Minimax2000 Registered Member

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    Hello all

    The offer has been prolongated till January 31, 2009.

    http://www.agnitum.com/purchase/outpost/

    http://agnitumblog.blogspot.com/

     
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  2. Fuzzfas

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    Hmm... The lifetime deal is always good, but this prolongation of 1 month, starts worrying me a bit about the future of Outpost. It's not that Outpost is a completely unknown firewall that needs to attract a few customers. That was some years ago. When a company that stopped lifetime licenses , comes up with a new "lifetime" offer for... about 45 days, i start getting worried...

    Best wishes anyway to both Outpost and its users. It's a firewall that made a long way and it deserves to go well.
     
  3. qpok

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    My thoughts exactly. With the Russian (Agnitum is a Russian based company, right?) economy plunging and seeing that the financial forecasts for Russia are very gloomy this deal got me a little worried.

    Edit:
    To formulate a horror scenario: Windows 7 recently hit the beta phase. Company makes risk analysis and concludes that making their product W7 compatible would be too big (risky) an investment (btw, remember how long it took for Agnitum to make OPF Vista compatible?) and decides to make most out of their current product before W7 supersedes Vista and XP.
     
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  4. Jaki

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    You may have a point here; however, I realized that they only have the lifetime deal on their firewall till the end of January, not the suite. The only thing that I could conclude is that the money that they are generating must be really good for them. :D Ok, ok I'm worried too; I hope all this lifetime deal is based on a real good strategy with a bright future ahead.


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  5. Jaki

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    Guys there is no reason to panic since their revenue base is not exclusively in Russia. Moreover, it is not only the Russian economy which is not doing well right now, the American as well as the European economies are not doing well either; consequently, what about Computer Associates, Symantec, McAfee, Dr Web, F-secure, Norman, Panda, F-prot (by the way the Icelandic economy collapsed, they wanted Russia to bail them out).

    The lifetime license, to me, is just a marketing strategy that generates more revenues in a tough economic environment, that is it. In addition, such a trategy works for the consumers; I'm pretty sure that their competitors are taking notice of such a deal. During the holiday seasons anti-virus companies offer something like a 20% discount on their products.

    So Agnitum has to offer something more than the usual 20% discount thus the birth of the lifetime license. It is for Agnitum a mean to an end. An the ultimate end is to find a way to increase their market share. Probably next year another company, whoever that company might be, would provide also a lifetime license. It could as well be Dr Web, or Symantec or F-prot who knows.

    No matter what I'm glad that Agnitum offers the lifetime license. In the meantime let us all enjoy our lifetime licenses. Don't panic, be happy. :D


    Peace.
     
  6. hayc59

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    Do not worry Agnitum is not hurting for funds
    its a gift for gosh sake man!! enjoy because it
    may not be around again for sometime :)
     
  7. Fuzzfas

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    I hope you 're right. Don't get me wrong. I looove lifetime licenses. And i am struggling to decide what to do with Outpost. I discovered its antispyware had a conflict with Twister (system lock on reboot). But with this version that the antispyware's installation is optional, i no longer have the lock up. The thing i don't like is that with p2p it eats continuously 1-2% of my CPU, while Comodo sits most of the time at 0%.

    Still, this is very tempting. I already have a lifetime license for Twister, so adding a lifetime license for a firewall would be potentially very advantageous for me. My main problem is that , it pretty much does that Comodo does too (and that's free), although i love the ad blocker. So, i am not sure if i should really buy it... It's a torture...

    As for the lifetime's license issue, my doubt/worries, lies in the fact, that with the lifetime license, you increase your income in the short term, but in the long run, you aren't getting new income from those customers... It's not like a discount of 50%, because you 'll get more money next year. Instead, Agnitum isn't going to get any new money from these customers in the future. Of course, it may serve to make its name be heard more. But it's not like it's an emerging firewall. And it has abbandoned the lifetime license model some time ago, so this is making me somewhat uncomfortable...

    Anyway, i must make up my mind sooner or later... One thing is for sure, it IS a very tempting opportunity.
     
  8. Jaki

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    You have got to understand also that Agnitum's customer base will not stay stagnant, it will continue to grow. For example I have my lifetime license and I'm a well satisfied OSS 2009 customer; the odds are if someone asks me for my opinion I will do my best to convince that person to buy OSS 2009 based upon my good experience with it.

    And this is what Agnitum is counting on. Agnitum in the long run want to turn whoever happens to buy its lifetime license into a prospecting Agnitum marketing specialist, probably reducing advertising expenses, thus increasing revenue at the same time.
     
  9. Fuzzfas

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    Yes, you 're right in that. It certainly makes the
    new buyers a sort of "marketing promoters". What puzzles me, is that usually this tactic if followed by very uknown companies. Outpost has passed that stage at least in the firewall world. Anyway, maybe i am too suspicious. :D The deal is certainly very tempting.

    BTW, is there a changelog / release notes somewhere? I tried the Agnitum site, but can't find any. I am curious to see what are their most common problems and i am also concerned that in a Matousec PerfTCP and UDP test Outpost had scored 72 and 68.

    Thanks
     
  10. Minimax2000

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    They must have something up their sleeves according to their announcement above.

    And I am asking myself whether this improvement will be free of charge for lifetime users.

    But as already said extending the offer by one month casts a shadow of doubt over their financial situation.

    Reference:
    http://www.agnitum.com/news/agnitumnewsletter/issues/december2008/
     
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    It is indeed a tempting deal, relieve yourself from such a torture and get it. If I were you I would get the OSS 2009. It is a LIFTIME deal with infinite upgrades and updates. GEDT IT, GET IT GET IT :D :D :D . Temptation is hard give in.


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  13. Fuzzfas

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    Damn! More mystery! I suspect that if they name the new product with a new name, while keeping the current "firewall" and "IS" lines apart, the lifetime license won't cover this new program too (maybe behaviour blocker? Sandbox incorporated?).

    Thank you very much for the changelogs, Minimax. :thumb:


    I already have Twister and am happy with it. Having yet another lifetime AV (considering also the various free avs), is wasted money. So if i am to submit to the temptation, i 'll go for the firewall i think... I don't want to pass the 50$ mark and in EU we have the damned 19% VAT thing over the normal price.
     
  14. vijayind

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    I think Outpost Firewall is damn good and at par with the rest. The only problem is the AV engine.
    Maybe "R3" will use Kaspersky Engine ?? Now that would make a killer app !!


    I think Agnitum is now taking focus on the real cash cows, the Enterprise Market. And to do that, they have been revamping and focusing on ONS for sometime. By this lifetime offer, they want to exponentially increase both the amount of users and also the knowledge about brand outpost. Just a way of taking on the Nortons, McAfees and TrendMicros. ( I think )
     
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    It's on both..."Hurry up to purchase a lifetime license (including updates and support) of Outpost Firewall Pro or Outpost Security Suite Pro, valid for three PCs, for the price of a 1-year license by the end of January!"
     
  16. rOadToIS

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    Dang!
    Angitum must have needed some money!
    I wish Avira had lifetime update event.
     
  17. mack_guy911

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    hello to all and Happy New Year

    i dont feel worry when outpost 2008 early days are said that its going down its still survived and come back with a another great software in 2009 i still back up outpost i think they need what is right now more and more users

    like if you are outpost user its abousely you back their software or atleast dont criticized it much so more good and healty for new users attracts towards their product (outpost) and those who have life time definatly give huge backup by telling only good things about the product......:)

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    with these kinda deals they are making a huge amount like for examples if outpost sells 100000 firewall only worldwide they make 100000*39$ with which they have enough money to start new company....i guss......LOOl :D

    or may be they are using same strategy like comodo and i no wonder to see if they making firewalls only for corptrate users and making home licence free or may be one lifetime payment...:)

    last words

    may be they are doing this noble cause like making Swordish again :)
     
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  18. Perman

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    Hi, all:

    Having a compatibility issues with newer Microsoft O/S (such as Vista or pending Window 7 ) is NOT a news to many security software companies.

    The question is how do they position themselves in this difficult situation; either throwing in white towels or beefing up R/D ? but any extra work requires $$$. IMO, offering lifetime license is to (1) generate extra fund for the fight or (2) open their arms for the takeover (from cash rich company---such as Microsoft itself).

    By doing this deal, coupled with prolongation of such a deal, Agnitum has sent out Signals to cyber world. How to read it could be a million dollars' question. Remember EW--- effects couple years ago ? o_O
     
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    quick question, is outpost firewall a rule based firewall (like look n stop) or is it an application fireall (like pctools FW)?
     
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    Application based.
     
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    If Outpost came up with a new product line within this year, I would never ever recommend their product. I bought the lifetime license of OSS, so I want it to be continued and receive major upgrades if needed. I really hope FOR THEM to improve OSS in the near future, since it is still consuming a huge amount of ressources compared to the new Symantec solutions. A new more promising antivirus engine like Kaspersky or Antivir would definitely turn this program into a true honeypot.

    As for me, Twister is not having any conflicts with OSS at the moment, but I'm also looking forward to a newer version of it as well, so 2009 will become a very interesting year for me!
     
  23. Fuzzfas

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    Their firewall could use a trim on CPU usage too... It becomes too much with p2p. As i always say, it's easy to claim that your firewall is light, when you only have to deal with 1 connection at a time. The real test of fire for me, for any firewall, is how they behave with p2p. It shows their weaknesses.

    Hmm... Interesting. When i first tried the Outpost firewall version which was available before 25 December, the only way to avoid system lock, was to disable Twister, install Outpost firewall, disable Outpost's antispyware real time scanner, re-enable Twister. Although i am not sure about the version released after Dec 25, since i had already disabled Twister when i installed that one.
     
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    I got it a couple of days ago. I have been using Outpost for 4 years, so I couldn't miss such an opportunity :)
     
  25. jm0307

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    I took up their offer last night and purchased a lifetime licence for the firewall. Received the key immediately.

    I think all the worries about Agnitum's offer being a possible sign that the company has financial difficulties are pure conjecture. I would speculate that this lifetime offer merely serves as a promotional tool. Agnitum may be well known in this community, but the average home users' knowledge of firewall brands does not extend to Agnitum. I have been using OP since 2.5 and none one of my friends knew this brand. The average home user knows brands such as Norton, McAfee, etc. - the big players. I think Agnitum wants to break into this market. Yet, this is pure conjecture too.

    FUD and conjecture asides, I bought the licence as it is worth paying for even if it only included one year of updates. My girlfriend is about to buy a laptop, and I wanted her to have a decent firewall too. If this 3 PC licence lasts for lifetime, and if Agnitum continues to make great firewalls for many years to come, then this would be even merrier. If not, then it was still worth it.
     
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